You are all GODS!!

[Frozen Messiah]

I have been following along and find that the rping has been great but the problem seems to be alignment, (though that isn't the hole problem)

there's no way to get eight (now seven) people together and they be almost all chaotic and get anything done quickly. Granted you are all gods but I think a medator or something would be nice. here is the alignment breakdown:

Lavaria CE
The One and the Many CN
Sirion LN
Heliasillyel CG
Ubariya LN
Torath CG
Duretep CN

You all will probably agree on more freedom/random aspects, and let me do what I want to do type suggestions.

But a world is chaos inclosed in order and without some rules I see this falling apart on us.

So suggestions please,

Mine would be, a NPC OverGod that gives each godling one thing automaticly to the world, and one to the worshippers he wishes to live on it. And we could go from there.

HM

I have some ideas...

1)Reasearch & Meeting: The gods are left to their own machinations for a set period of time. After that time elapses they will all come togeter and tell all the gods the pros and cons of their system. We will then take all of the ideas and bring them together to make a functioning whole

2)God Era: We create the races and we leave them be and observe. They will most likely do somethings that the gods will find appaling and do somethings that the gods will like. Out of each race there prove to be champion (this could be an incorruptable paladin to a sneaky and sly rogue). This champion will usher a new era, The God Era. This new era will have the gods on the earth but far enough removed from regular society that they can still help heir people but for people to come to them it becomes difficult.

3)Spin the Bottle: We go in a circle and ecah god choses one rule until every god has 5 to their name. The rules cannot specifically hamper another god and if one rule were to make another rule pointless than the god with the pointless rule gets another rule. Everything is on the table for ruling and once a rule has been said by a god it is set in stone, so think long and think hard.

@HolyMan: Could I switch out Destiny for another domain, it seemed like a good idea at the time?

 

[Rathan]

ML do you remember what I said about putting too much of yourself into your character? Well every time someone mentions they don't like something about your character is not your cue to go ranting about it. He was using it as a base example and he was right. A few of us took the liberty of drawing our characters up to be the be all end of of Gods or Goddesses, YOU are included in those few. Why this is a problem is because it gives you more a reason to play your Goddess as 'I'm better than you because I'm older, now go away'. Not saying you'd play her this way (however you've already leaded towards it, such as knowing our names and what we are the gods of.. you're meta-gaming based on your background!). For one this is wrong, bad form, and completely hinged on character BACKGROUND and not what the character has EARNED in the game. I could be a creator deity with 1000's of worlds created under my belt before I got to the grey mist. HOWEVER, once I'm there, I'm NO better than you. That's the START of the game and everyone should be on equal keel. Yet I see you constantly asking for new rules and new ways to make yourself better than everyone else, weather you mean to or not. Weather it be your weapon, stats, or just trying to weasel your characters past into the present to show your character is far superior are ALL signs of why Glass is 110% correct. We need baseline rules. Things like.. "sure you're background is pretty... you may be only an aspect of your true form sent here... however your character knows nothing of this... the slate is clean... anything from the past cannot be used... period. Same with my background. I would surely have access to the elemental plane of fire even though I can't go there however my power from my background is null and void because this is a FRESH start. I should have what I paid for and start from THERE.

I'm NOT afraid to say you are the majority of my problem with this game ML and you frustrate me to no end with little addons to the rules just so it fits YOURS character. Weather you realize it or not that gives your character an edge, allbeit a small one but it still upsets players because they DON'T have the special weapon (which I'm glad HM stuck to his guns on.. thank you HM) or whatever have you.

Sunking is the other part of my problem in the way he completely slapped us all in the face and basically said "screw you guys.... I can't play this character so let me just give you a big middle finger". It's not OUR fault you can't play a Lawful character in a room full of chaos. That what this comes down to and to be honest anything else you bring to to table as a concept I'm going to have a hard time respecting after what you pulled.

Just thought I'd be honest with you all and voice my VERY frustrated opinions here with you all. It's not to piss people off, but more to show you how close I am to saying "you know what?... It's not worth it... I'm done" and I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not the only one

 

[Myth and Legend]

OK if you feel that way and so do the rest of you i am leaving. However the weapon was a suggestion i wanted for everyone to use, not just myself, what is wrong with that? I even dumbed it down since you didn't get the first write up. Are the weapons more powerful than a 128 gp item? Yes. Would they make our characters unbalanced? NO! Because everyone would have one.

Earning the right to know what the other Gods are gods OF? What kind of nonsense is that? It's asking for a knowledge check to recognize the big guy with the axe and leather armour who can't read as a Barbarian in a regular game. I am not metagaming and if you are too near sighted to realize that i can't argue with you. I never once assumed what the other Gods think or are like in character, I just used the divine omnipotence, that mind you OTHER PLAYERS took for granted as well, and had Heliasillyel know what each of these is as a Divine Being.

In any case, your aggression is uncalled for and i don't think i can have fun in this game.

 

[GlassEye]

My wording was unfortunate and for that I apologize. (Using the term 'kludge' was particularly bad form because it implies a poor fix for a problem). I used Torath's background more as a comparison for the more highly detailed background provided by Myth. I don't have a problem with background except in that each background brings assumptions to the game that I have to accept into my assumptions. I don't expect my particular set of assumptions to be the default but I was looking for official word of what the starting background is. Not commenting on backgrounds presented is technically as good as giving them the thumbs up. I don't think I wanted to accept that. So really, the problem is with me. I understand this but I still feel some frustration which is why I put my comment in sblocks and labelled it RANT.

Again, I didn't mean anything I said to be an attack on any person involved in this game and I apologize if my words have hurt feelings or caused offense.

 

[Frozen Messiah]

ML do you remember what I said about putting too much of yourself into your character? Well every time someone mentions they don't like something about your character is not your cue to go ranting about it. He was using it as a base example and he was right. A few of us took the liberty of drawing our characters up to be the be all end of of Gods or Goddesses, YOU are included in those few. Why this is a problem is because it gives you more a reason to play your Goddess as 'I'm better than you because I'm older, now go away'. Not saying you'd play her this way (however you've already leaded towards it, such as knowing our names and what we are the gods of.. you're meta-gaming based on your background!). For one this is wrong, bad form, and completely hinged on character BACKGROUND and not what the character has EARNED in the game. I could be a creator deity with 1000's of worlds created under my belt before I got to the grey mist. HOWEVER, once I'm there, I'm NO better than you. That's the START of the game and everyone should be on equal keel. Yet I see you constantly asking for new rules and new ways to make yourself better than everyone else, weather you mean to or not. Weather it be your weapon, stats, or just trying to weasel your characters past into the present to show your character is far superior are ALL signs of why Glass is 110% correct. We need baseline rules. Things like.. "sure you're background is pretty... you may be only an aspect of your true form sent here... however your character knows nothing of this... the slate is clean... anything from the past cannot be used... period. Same with my background. I would surely have access to the elemental plane of fire even though I can't go there however my power from my background is null and void because this is a FRESH start. I should have what I paid for and start from THERE.

I'm NOT afraid to say you are the majority of my problem with this game ML and you frustrate me to no end with little addons to the rules just so it fits YOURS character. Weather you realize it or not that gives your character an edge, allbeit a small one but it still upsets players because they DON'T have the special weapon (which I'm glad HM stuck to his guns on.. thank you HM) or whatever have you.

Sunking is the other part of my problem in the way he completely slapped us all in the face and basically said "screw you guys.... I can't play this character so let me just give you a big middle finger". It's not OUR fault you can't play a Lawful character in a room full of chaos. That what this comes down to and to be honest anything else you bring to to table as a concept I'm going to have a hard time respecting after what you pulled.

Just thought I'd be honest with you all and voice my VERY frustrated opinions here with you all. It's not to piss people off, but more to show you how close I am to saying "you know what?... It's not worth it... I'm done" and I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not the only one

I also understand where you are coming from, The very nature of this game leads to this sort of turmoil because "with great power comes great responsibilty"(sorry had to say it) that in it's very nature will make it hard for anything to come of this. We all have gods that want something some of us are doing it in a subtle fashion where as others are not.

I think that ML is not reall causing as much trouble as you are stating, but I'm alos not saying she isn't. I don't think having endless arrows is a real boon I actually think that it's is actually less powerful than having arrows because you can't have massive amount of staking bonuses every shot but i also think some of the stuff she is sayoing about her bow could be just as easily added on through fluff. Heliasillyel knowing everyone is no differnet than Duretep because I never actually gave a defined time for how long he has been around but I veiw him to be bloody ancient, so he knows about everyone of you it's just the fact that he is insane makes it seem like he doesn't. Having her god know other gods I don't think is a problem.

Now then can we all play nice for this time, i know ML can get underneath your skin quickly & easily and so do her characters but let's try and stop pointing fingers because that is what is making want to close up shop. So I will say this again let's all play nice or at least fake it really well.

 

[Myth and Legend]

Hey me getting under anyone's skin is up to that person's own mental stability. I try not to be offensive, and that's that. I do enjoy debating I admit, I just want it to be intelligent and constructive criticism. Aggression and hate turn me away pretty quickly, as is the case here.

Me putting in too much of my own character in the ones i play on ENWorld is just an assumption. I now have three female characters, since the games with the three male characters died, and i took up a DMing project that prevented me from joining any more games. I just HAD to join this one though, to reinvent a character from another game that died out.

But me as a person IRL? No one here has sufficient info on that

Anyway thank you for the support FM. BTW i actually thought of Duretep as a character from another place, who was famous for having forgotten more about magic than current day mages ever knew.

 

[Sunking]

well i understand you the problem with sirion was as i said that I made him to rock fast and to lawful, the curse was not to give you the finger but to show whar sirion meant about your present course it was giving him a big exit instead of just fading, it was me realising having mad a LN stuborn PC in a group of primary Chaotic PC's werent somthing i would wanna play...

Im saying sorry i made a mistake I should have looked at the group dynamik when i made my god, but i would rather remove him now the become bored about playing him and let you down by posting to little.

to ML vhy if you look back i suggested DR 7 in the begening but in the end its up to HM what he wanna run, just like its up to us if we wanna run with what HM puts up.

But this diskusion is turning wery personaly should we descuse what we should do instead of name calling.

1) continue and se were this is going

2) reeboot and start with a overgod calling the shots

3) just throw mud, playing the blame game and wait for people to slowly leave the game.

 

[Frozen Messiah]

Hey me getting under anyone's skin is up to that person's own mental stability. I try not to be offensive, and that's that.

Me putting in too much of my own character in the ones i play on ENWorld is just an assumption. I now have three female characters, since the games with the three male characters died, and i took up a DMing project that prevented me from joining any more games. I just HAD to join this one though, to reinvent a character from another game that died out.

But me as a person IRL? No one here has sufficient info on that

I understand I think more than you think ML, I believe that you are a competivitve person who always likes to get the last word in and judging by what you choose to argue about you also need giudlines to function but your characters usually are chaotic in nature meaning that you are most likely a pro democracy person. This just an educated geuss, not trying to freak you out or seem like know it all

As for Lora, almost any character that I would have played would have not liked her and actually it's a good thing I chose to play an aged paladin because most of my characters are...dicks. I would have probably said or done something to put a perma-hate on him.

I understand also that it takes a certain frame of mind to not like someone but if there is just a bit more patience and understanding on bothsides of this than I do believe everything will turn out ok.

I'm a neutral party here so I'm taking on ones sides in this, we already have lost one player I don't want to have half of the gods become NPC before we get to set foot on the planet.
In know it's up to the person

 

[Myth and Legend]

[sblock=this is off-topic for FM]As it says in the sblock this is completely off-topic so don't come at me saying "use PM" or something. Nobody is making you read this.

I understand I think more than you think ML, I believe that you are a competivitve person who always likes to get the last word in and judging by what you choose to argue about you also need giudlines to function but your characters usually are chaotic in nature meaning that you are most likely a pro democracy person. This just an educated geuss, not trying to freak you out or seem like know it all

Well dear me! Sorry but you can't freak me out I am not a competitive person by any means. I am a Libra, I enjoy debate but hesitate to make a decision. I am a good mediator and arbiter, so long as i am not involved in the situation. Making fast rash decisions is against my nature. In real life, i am the polar opposite of Lora.

You are right, most of my characters are chaotic and i already explained why in the Off to War OOC. I did have a neutral and a lawful one, both male, but the games died. That's a coincidence, nothing more.

Lora was always intended to be a damaged person, and now she is a bitch to protect herself from further harm. SHE likes taking charge and having the last word.

IRL I am not like her at all. You do assume too much, you assume about my gender, my personality, about everything. Although a psychologist could possibly make a profile for me out of the characters i play, it would not be very accurate. I have not attempted to evade analysis, but i have not given anything but the subtlest of clues that regular readers will probably pass by.

Anyway I am giving up on this game in particular, but we will still be playing in Off to War. Just remember that I am always roleplaying and don't take personal offence This goes for anyone else who is reading this as well. For me, ENWorld serves mainly as a means of relaxing and having fun, but it is also an experiment.[/sblock]

 

[HolyMan]

[sblock=RANT]Don't take any of what I'm about to say personally but several things bug me:



This lessens the mythological impact of our story. Heliasillyel is the sun. And she should be powerful enough to be the sun and dance on the surface of the world in physical form with her elven followers if she wants to. Your method is perfectly valid but neuters us as gods; the sun god should have control over the sun. Ubariya should have control over darkness. Duretep should have control over dreams and madness. If we, as gods, don't have control over our portfolios then I'm afraid I don't see the point of this game at all.



I disagree that alignment is the problem. It is certainly adds an element of complexity, especially for those of us who have chosen to play lawful deities. But I can work with an entire pantheon of chaotic deities because I know that they are ruled by self-interest. Lavaria doesn't go on a rampage of destruction because she knows that this is likely to piss off the other deities who might band together to retaliate or bind her in some fashion. The same goes for every deity. I think of this as a 'natural law' and it's the basis of Ubariya's lawful alignment. Anything crazy enough to act outside their self-interest shouldn't be a player character. Even Duretep has a splinter of saner personality that comes to the forefront whenever he might do something too far off the deep end.

And who cares if we don't get anything done quickly? If I wanted quick I sure wouldn't be playing in pbp. I don't want to spend five days arguing over one issue, though, so a mediator would smooth things a little bit. However, HM, you surrendered that option when you had the Forger run off after your first post. You can bring him back and have him act as mediator now if you want, I guess.

Frankly the Forger irritates me. Perhaps the problem is the assumptions I took from our discussions of the game before it began. What I wanted (and still want) is to be a creator deity. I don't want to sit back and let some other deity create everything and then get only one thing I want. The whole point of this to me was to get to create things, establish a religion, and deal with the other gods and their creations. And for the record, I hate the idea of power level being tied to number of worshipers. You think Zeus had any worshipers before the world was created when he fought against the titans? He certainly wasn't powerless then.

This is your most important statement:


We've done pretty well on our own (until this latest issue). You are right, though, we do need rules. We've needed them from the very beginning. IMO, the biggest problem is the lack of rules from the very beginning. And I don't mean rules governing the mechanics of our deities. I'm not picking on anyone but let me point out a couple of things as examples: Heliasillyel, a deity for 8,000 or so years, complete with ancient history and references to other crystal spheres, Toril, spelljamming ships, Lolth, and some kludge to explain why she doesn't have her full power now. Torath and Sirion, newly ascended from other worlds. Lavaria cast out from her plane and looking for a new home. There are a lot of assumptions made that by default I'm now forced to live with. It's hard to reconcile my idea that our deities are the only ones with the idea of a multitude of deities in a multitude of crystal spheres scattered across the multiverse. The point is that we needed a common origin, a baseline to work from that keeps our deities on an equal field and that gives us a common point for roleplaying. I suppose that since HM didn't object to any of the histories as presented that that is reality that I have to accept. I just wanted Ubariya to be something more than some petty death goddess looking for scraps from some more powerful creator deity.

So how do we fix it?

First things first: get Sunking to edit his curse post, give Sirion to HolyMan to npc and lets get on with the roleplaying. I would like a statement that clarifies what our history as deities is and what our roles are and what kind of game we're playing. I think that will solve most of our problems.

Thanks for listening to my long-winded rant.
--GE[/sblock]

A) I didn't want anyone in control of such a powerful force, even if it is in their portfolio. Living on/in it is great and makes for great story, having any kind of say in it's actions is quite another.

Example: ML says to HM "My character put it there so she should be able to take it away."

B) Complexity- That's a good word for it.

C) The Forger is just creating the world, nothing in it. He will be making the shell as it were, anything to do with religion, locations, and all are on the PCs. Also when you reach a high enough DR you can change things.

D)Everyone was to get one thing they wanted without consenses to 1) help speed things along, and 2) get others to then make counter requests to help keep the ball rolling.

E) What I wanted was to play a game were the PCs were the gods of the realm they would go forth and create mythos and have adventures for their worshippers to tell. I have no plans on anyone fighting Zeus or Zeus like gods. But it seems everyone wants to play DR11 or higher gods and go out and smite everything that gets on their nerves. LOL

note: I think Zeus was a God(outsider20HD) Fighter 1, DR0 when he fought the titans. At least I hope he was because that's what I have planned for you.

F) I'm really don't want to scrap this but we need to all get on the same page.

So please more suggestions.

HM