You are all GODS!!

[GlassEye]

I had have a problem getting bogged down, too. Finally I had to itemize my goals and look at/list the Salient Divine Abilities I wanted. Then I had to pare down my list of goals since it just isn't feasible to do everything (I probably still have too much on it). Then I looked at the prerequisites of SDA's and tried to pare down the one's I didn't think I would ever manage to get. It's been a painstaking process.

I'm still bogged down with feats. I could easily spend them all on natural attack type feats. I'm afraid that will hurt me down the line so I'm hesitating. Anything else I might be interested in (and there are few of those) I don't meet the prerequisites for.

 

[Theroc]

HM. I just noticed that your list on monstrous size gives the same penalty and half the benefits that the Monster Manual states.

Was this contradiction an error on your part or an intentional deviation?

 

[Myth and Legend]

While we are on the subject, was the bonus Charisma to saves from Deities and Demigods changed from a Divine type bonus to a Luck type bonus on purpouse?

 

[Sunking]

Yes, a different scale. A sun in no way compares to 100 swords that can kill gods or a chosen one who has the power to cast gods into exile. We were probably going to end up with night and day anyway; a 'sun' is irrelevent and the story helped create mythology for why what we were having anyway exists.

Honestly, while you believe Sirion's requests were equal for all, they weren't. Sirion (and Ubariya) are lawful and can easily live with laws. The other five deities are chaotic and would chafe under imposed laws. The way to get them to follow law is to bind them with their oaths (which is what Ubariya has tried to do).

Having Sirion disappointed but still staying to protect creation from the other deities is a perfectly valid way to play it and doesn't require you to get a new character. His rigidness and inflexibility is your doing and you can give him just a little flexibility. It doesn't break the concept to have him take what concessions he can get from the others and strive to protect mortals anyway. If this is not to your liking give him to HolyMan (because if we are as powerless in the grey mist as HM has said then your curse is powerless anyway).

Well looking at it from a characters perspective the power to create a sun which generate warmth and light to power life thru photosynthesis while not burning the world to a crisp and putting it in orbit so there will be days and night, winter and summer compared to changing a the nature of a small potion of iron into having the property [Ignores damage resistance of creatures with divine rank] seems yes on a different scale but the more power consuming of those two seems to me the sun.

Yes from the players perspective it would be the other way around but in the rp section I would always look at it from the character perspective.

And above the curse to things

And then slowly shadows start to take form, the others are arriving. Here in this place everyone is safe there are no powers or ways to harm each other, here you can discuss and not worry about charms or other influences. You stand in a circle facing all the others, but their features, form, even size is hard to make out.

1) the curse was directed at the world not the other gods a place outside of the mist (whether or not this have any effect is up to HM)
2) In truth the curse aren’t any more than what the gods themselves will do if they continues down the current path:
6 chaotic gods, the closes to a god of knowledge is mad, and even if there is a goddess of new beginnings she will move on to the next beginning and then lady fire will come and destroy. So to Sirion it was more of a warning (said while being mad at the other gods)

There is no need for you to make a new god, you just decided to have a heavy handed-lawful god with a whole bunch of chaotic minded gods. You can't expect us to agree with laws right away, the idea is making laws that aren't to restrictive. We also don't trust humans half as much as your god does so giving humans any form of power may be difficult to pass it by the other gods. What Sirion needs is to be a little bit more...sneaky and sneaky can still be lawful.

Yes that was properly my biggest mistake, to carve the character out in rock before looking at what was going to be in the “party”
It is important to have some way to fit into a group and with 6 chaotic gods who are a long way from his Awful Lawful and 2 lawful gods that Sirion were properly going to step on the toes soon (by teaching humans a ritual to cheat time and death (Elans))

Yes sneaky can be lawful but once committed its all in for Sirion.

Being a newly ascended quasi-diety, Torath has no desire to suddenly place those he just climbed above back on equal footing with him.

That's sortof like asking a guy who just learned to outrun a cheetah to race people in cars, because it's not fair if they run on foot.



He had no animousity towards Sirion outside of that, up until Sirion 'cursed' us all.

No of the ideas were on the line of your example, a more correct would be that the mortals got a union spokesman that could call a little blockade if mistreated.

First rule ok after DR6 no more walking the world in true form unless a counsel of at least 2 thirds of the gods voted for: you could have said yes pated Sirion on the head, held a counsel and decided that it would be ok for the next 1000 years to walk in true form.

Second rule godsbane iron: it did not say weapons that would kill a god just by touch It would have been up to the forger aka HM to decide the mechanic (it could have been something like [Ignores damage resistance of creatures with divine rank] which would still require a mortal who could beat the god in single combat)

Third rule the one Lavaria suggested about a chosen from each mortal race:
If a mortal used the ability there were no rules against sending ones church to kill the person, the persons family, friends and pets then mortals would have thought twice before using it again

Fourth rule the Codex Divine: now all gods could make 2 laws and remove 1 the didn’t like, don’t thing any of Sirions would have survived but there would have been laws (so he would have been comtempt)

As you can see there were ways to go about his requests but the NO attitude just made him hostile.

Sunking I'm more than well aware we put sometimes at little more of ourselves into our character than one really should. It makes conflicting situations like this all that much more difficult. However I must say this is indeed bad form and I'm going to call in part on it. Now I was willing to agree to some sort of lawful pact about your Sirion's civilization thing because Lavaria was not willing to make enemies this quickly out the gate (however with her alignment, making enemies is NOT hard for her to do heh). Lawfully aligned people MUST have patience for the fruits of their labor to bare. Sirion should be a deity that stands over us when we make a mistake say "hey.. I told you so... if you had gone with my laws.. this NEVER would have happened... tsk tsk tsk..." laws don't happen over night.. I mean hell look at congress (rolls his eyes). Stuff there takes YEARS... I haven't asked for anything special, because I know that when I do want something I need to be careful and sneaky about getting it. take your time I mean we're going to be at this a LONG time both in the mist and on the planet. You're not going to get everything you ask for right out of the gates. Jump back into playing Sirion, have his head held hight and smile at us all and just say. "you just wait.. I'll be here saying 'I told you so' in no time...

EDIT: I ASSURE you ( and more than likely it will be Lavaria) at some point someone will do something REALLY bad on the planet and then people will be jumping on board with your whole "hey no more walking the planet guys..." you just wait and see heh...

Well the problem is Sirion doesn’t believe he have forever, when he absorbed the elder brains of the Illithid he got a flash of their history

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The Illithid had almost taken over all known worlds and the suns had turned dark, when the enemy attacked and almost destroyed them as a race, to survive the Illithid used a ritual to sling the survivors back thru time to be better prepared next time.

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Sirion believes himself to be this enemy of the Illithid and need to prepare for the time of dark suns, he needs to make allies and build an army.

So waiting around just to say I told you so and to try a protect mortals from their own chaotic gods aren’t on his agenda.

Rathan is right that eventually one puts something of his own character in the hero one is playing. Don't tell me that you will take a hero you have nothing in common and would loathe in real life and play him or her for the sake of diversity only. Playing an assassin has it's own anti-hero cool factor, playing a madman, an evil cleric etc. all have something that appeals to the player.

Thus I'm sure that you Sunking are sympathetic to Sirion's cause I want to thank Glass Eye for voicing my thoughts in i his post as well:

I as a player would hate to see Sirion go because we have already generated momentum with the character and we have invested emotion. It's not good emotion mind you, at least on Heliasillyel's part, but emotion is in itself good for a game, as it makes it more complex and three dimensional.

When we create a character we all put in some trait or personality we like, but I have played from Exalted to Vile characters, I have played characters of all alignments except TN.
And yes some of the were real duchbags that I would never like in real life, some were so holy that if I meet someone like that in real life I would run screaming away after 5 min.

Yes there I momentum but the momentum would do me to the villain of this story and that’s not what I want to play.

If HM wants him as a NPC, go for it
If I should edit away the curse and not make him leave just say so HM, I can see it giving roleplay eighter way maybe something like…
Even do he have gone maybe he will just gather a warparty of other godlings and attack to save the world from what he means is irresponsible gods.

This is not saying that I don’t like Sirion I just don’t think that he’s the one for me to play in this group

So conclusion I’m not gowning back to Sirion. I’m making a new god… (just have to come op with a concept)

 

[HolyMan]

HM. I just noticed that your list on monstrous size gives the same penalty and half the benefits that the Monster Manual states.

Was this contradiction an error on your part or an intentional deviation?

I didn't make the traits list if thats what you are asking so could you quote the part you are refering to and the realtive MM page plz.

And on breath weapon the die used( d4, d6, d8 etc.) would be based on the amount of points you put into it. You are spending points for an ability and spend more points to "beef" it up.

While we are on the subject, was the bonus Charisma to saves from Deities and Demigods changed from a Divine type bonus to a Luck type bonus on purpouse?

I think I changed it on purpose was thinking the CHA would be luck and and then you would get a Divine Bonus equal to your DR where did I read that, wasn't someone saying saves were really low for being gods?

HM

 

[Myth and Legend]

That was me before i saw we get Cha to saves LOL I think it should stay as a Divine bonus, because it will make the Power of Luck SDA sort of redundant (luck bonuses do not stack, unlike Divine bonuses)

OK I don't want to beat the dead horse but I have to argue some more

Well looking at it from a characters perspective the power to create a sun which generate warmth and light to power life thru photosynthesis while not burning the world to a crisp and putting it in orbit so there will be days and night, winter and summer compared to changing a the nature of a small potion of iron into having the property [Ignores damage resistance of creatures with divine rank] seems yes on a different scale but the more power consuming of those two seems to me the sun.

Yes from the players perspective it would be the other way around but in the rp section I would always look at it from the character perspective.

The power required comes from the Forger - a Greater Deity. It is far beyond the power of regular Gods. Greater Deities are to Gods as Gods are to mortals. As such, this doesn't make sense from a RP perspective, at least it wouldn't make sense to any God or Goddes that i'd run.

On the other hand, while the creatures and plants on the new earth will need the sun and thus not only will it NOT do harm but actually help everyone equally, this godsbane iron serves a purpouse to HARM every one of the gods.

So in essence Heliasillyel was asking to fill the car with gas, while sirion was asking for a self destruct button behind the children's seat.

 

[HolyMan]

I haven't found where it says divine bonuses stack (and I have been looking trust me) might be because I hate reading on a computer LOL

Can you give me a page number when you find the time ML, thanks in advance.

A note on the sun: I was thinking that Heliasillyel would ask for a golden orb like the one in her home realm and she would not be in control of this one in anyway. She would be worshipped as the Sun Goddess because she had the forethought to have one provided and thus those who worship it/her would be most thankful. No need for an equalizer.

HM

 

[Sunking]

yes the forger is all powerfull and can create anything its just that the creation of a lifegiving sun in orbit is so much more than a little bounch of iron (so when all the others got 100 bucks in allowens Sirion was hoping for 10 buck and no quistions asked)

and as stated it could have been just [Ignores damage resistance of creatures with divine rank] which would still require the mortal to be able to beat the god (the reason for this was that Sirion then hoped that the gods would think twice before going for a stroll in the world)

the plants only requirs the sun if we wants that, so what you asked for was a ecologic system more advanced then the normal world (ad magic and make it work on a plate instead of a planet) were Sirion asked for the property of under a ton of iron to gain a magic property.

Yes from charekter perspektive (with Int + knowlede:alot very high) I'v would still mean my was the minor request.

and as i said from player perspektiv this would be the other way around

 

[HolyMan]

I have been following along and find that the rping has been great but the problem seems to be alignment, (though that isn't the hole problem)

there's no way to get eight (now seven) people together and they be almost all chaotic and get anything done quickly. Granted you are all gods but I think a medator or something would be nice. here is the alignment breakdown:

Lavaria CE
The One and the Many CN
Sirion LN
Heliasillyel CG
Ubariya LN
Torath CG
Duretep CN

You all will probably agree on more freedom/random aspects, and let me do what I want to do type suggestions.

But a world is chaos inclosed in order and without some rules I see this falling apart on us.

So suggestions please,

Mine would be, a NPC OverGod that gives each godling one thing automaticly to the world, and one to the worshippers he wishes to live on it. And we could go from there.

HM

 

[Myth and Legend]

HM: Well i saw that Intomitable Strength stacks with regular Divine bonuses which got me under the impression that Divine bonuses granted by SDAs stack with the regular Divine Bonuses.

About the sun, Heliasillyel did not ask for her own plane or anything, but i had an idea about the sun and how she would help create it. Frozen Messiah first suggested that when she is not roaming the earth, she is actually inside the sun in her elven form.

So i thought that the sun should be a very limited conjoined demiplane that links the prime material with the plane of fire and the positive energy plane like a three way tap. Of course it is impossible to use it to go to either of the two power source planes, as the current of energy gushing forward is too strong (this is to not ruin Rathan's idea of a stranded Lavaria)

So if you don't mind, let Heliasilyel handle the creation of the new sun. The forger will provide the rough power needed and she will mold and shape it to create the sun.

HM can you please answer my question on the previous page about the weapons? I also submitted a weapon for approval.

a NPC OverGod that gives each godling one thing automaticly to the world, and one to the worshippers he wishes to live on it. And we could go from there.

I don't get it

Sunking: OK i understand about the energy expenditure, do you understand that this iron Sirion tried to force is perceived as a bad thing by the other Gods? It doesn't matter if it bypasses DR or slays Gods it's just bad for them and they don't want it, yet he is trying to force it and gets angry if he doesn't get his way.