You are all GODS!!

[Rathan]

Sunking I'm more than well aware we put sometimes at little more of ourselves into our character than one really should. It makes conflicting situations like this all that much more difficult. However I must say this is indeed bad form and I'm going to call in part on it. Now I was willing to agree to some sort of lawful pact about your Sirion's civilization thing because Lavaria was not willing to make enemies this quickly out the gate (however with her alignment, making enemies is NOT hard for her to do heh). Lawfully aligned people MUST have patience for the fruits of their labor to bare. Sirion should be a deity that stands over us when we make a mistake say "hey.. I told you so... if you had gone with my laws.. this NEVER would have happened... tsk tsk tsk..." laws don't happen over night.. I mean hell look at congress (rolls his eyes). Stuff there takes YEARS... I haven't asked for anything special, because I know that when I do want something I need to be careful and sneaky about getting it. take your time I mean we're going to be at this a LONG time both in the mist and on the planet. You're not going to get everything you ask for right out of the gates. Jump back into playing Sirion, have his head held hight and smile at us all and just say. "you just wait.. I'll be here saying 'I told you so' in no time...

EDIT: I ASSURE you ( and more than likely it will be Lavaria) at some point someone will do something REALLY bad on the planet and then people will be jumping on board with your whole "hey no more walking the planet guys..." you just wait and see heh...

 

[Frozen Messiah]

I ASSURE you ( and more than likely it will be Lavaria) at some point someone will do something REALLY bad on the planet and then people will be jumping on board with your whole "hey no more walking the planet guys..." you just wait and see heh...

believe me, just wait for Duretep to make a move. Think of him as Loki, always trying to screw up everything. He is an insane scientist/bond master mind/finger-twitiling mad man, he will always find a way to screw with everyone and all off their plans, just give him time. He may be stuck in another realm but that doesn't mean he is powerless

 

[Theroc]

I think my question got lost in the debates and such.

How do I determine the die size and number for a breath weapon?

 

[GlassEye]

By the way, Glasseye, I can see a note of cooperation between Torath and Ubariya already, just due to their natures. Torath is a God of War, which will definitely give Ubariya a chance to recycle souls.

Not sure if Ubariya would like the frequency during the wars, but Torath isn't a battlecrazed lunatic either, so there'd need to be a cause.

Certainly! If there is a war and someone is destined to die, they will die. If they are destined to live, they will survive it. It's that simple to Ubariya. Frequency of war is really not her business. Now if Torath starts killing mortals during war that are not destined to die yet she's gonna get irate. But presumably the only mortals Torath is going to be able to kill in battle are ones that are destined to be killed by him. I have to look at it in that fashion because it is impossible to play any other way, even after she get the Know Death SDA (unless the DM tells me that a mortal dies before their time; I know, I know, it's a staple in fiction...).

In fact, Ubariya may consider (but never say to him, of course) that she considers Torath her tool. Lot's of people die in war-time which wouldn't happen without her say-so. Ergo, Torath's wars only happen when she says lots of people are gonna die in war. Circular logic? Yep, but a lawful girl's gotta stay sane somehow or she might as well move in with Duretep now.

Now since Ubariya is concerned with the journey of the soul (regardless of who claims it, but she doesn't say that either) I also have to assume that a mortal dies when the soul is ready for the next step of its journey. Toss in her (eventual) Know Death SDA and you add an odd predestination element to the mix (she knows when a soul is ready to 'advance' because it wouldn't shuck off the body yet if it weren't. That isn't entirely inappropriate thinking for a lawful deity).

Anyway, that's my rambling way of saying 'I agree!'

 

[GlassEye]

@Theroc and Glasseye: This could be interesting, because Duretep and Ubariya have gained an interesting alliance of sorts, could this become a powerful triumvrat of sorts

If the benefit to Ubariya outweighs the cost she'll make whatever alliance is presented (unless it would make her break the word she has already given to someone else).

About our places in the world, I believe that we should skip how the gods will affect the world and move on to making races for this world. This means that we have something to lose if someone were to come down and we can than understand our spheres of influence better.

Not sure I agree. Our real-world myth is full of wars between gods and titan-types that occur before human-kind has arisen. If the world exists and then HM has an enemy appear our battles could give new shape to the face of the world. And Torath would have ample opportunity to shine and prove himself to us (not that he has to, of course). How about the time that Torath missed and his mighty blow sundered the earth and created Ironshard Chasm! Or some such thing...

 

[Myth and Legend]

Rathan is right that eventually one puts something of his own character in the hero one is playing. Don't tell me that you will take a hero you have nothing in common and would loathe in real life and play him or her for the sake of diversity only. Playing an assassin has it's own anti-hero cool factor, playing a madman, an evil cleric etc. all have something that appeals to the player.

Thus I'm sure that you Sunking are sympathetic to Sirion's cause I want to thank Glass Eye for voicing my thoughts in i his post as well:

A sun in no way compares to 100 swords that can kill gods or a chosen one who has the power to cast gods into exile. We were probably going to end up with night and day anyway; a 'sun' is irrelevent and the story helped create mythology for why what we were having anyway exists.

Honestly, while you believe Sirion's requests were equal for all, they weren't. Sirion (and Ubariya) are lawful and can easily live with laws. The other five deities are chaotic and would chafe under imposed laws. The way to get them to follow law is to bind them with their oaths (which is what Ubariya has tried to do).

I as a player would hate to see Sirion go because we have already generated momentum with the character and we have invested emotion. It's not good emotion mind you, at least on Heliasillyel's part, but emotion is in itself good for a game, as it makes it more complex and three dimensional.

Now HM submitting my rather mundane weapon for approval. She will be firing regular arrows right now, as 128k is not enough to make enchanted ammunition and an enchanted bow. This got me thinking though, even though the highest of the two enchantment bonuses is applied (weapon or ammo), one can still have for example a Holy Shoking Burst bow with Flaming Seeking arrows and the effects will stack? In essence, a ranged weapon (if money were no object, since spending 90,000 GP on 30 arrows is a lot!) can have 20 enchantment levels instead of the 10 for a non-epic weapon?


Also, the Disruption ability can only be placed on bludgeoning weapons, but i wanted to add some anti-negative energy or undead ability, similar to a Sun blade. How do i get those, and what would they cost?

Also, do i have to buy the mundane arrows for Heliasillyel? They are 20 arrows for 1 GP, but to buy them will mean i have to give up on a whole enchantment level. I CAN take a Craft skill to have her make her own unenchanted arrows if it is necessary.

[sblock=The Suncaster]+4 Holy Flaming Burst Composite Longbow [2 STR]

Damage (M): 1d8 (Piercing) x 3 + 1d6 (Fire) / 2d10 on critical + 4 (Enchantment) + 2 (STR)
Range: 110 ft.
Weight: 3lb.
Total enchantment levels: 8: (+4) +2 (Holy) + 2 (Flaming burst) (128,000 gp.)[/sblock]


Oooh i just noticed there are a lot more extra domains in the Spell Compendium! Those sure can come in handy! Here are all the ones listed in the SC. If anyone of you guys wants to use one of these to better define your deity, let me know and i will post the spells/granted power.

BALANCE, CHARM, COLD, CAVERN, CELERITY, COMMUNITY, COMPETITION, CREATION, COURAGE, DARKNESS, CRAFT, DEATHBOUND, DOMINATION, DROW, DRAGON, DWARF, DREAM, ELF, ENVY, FAMILY, GLORY, GLUTTONY, FATE, FORCE, GNOME, GREED, HUNGER, HALFLING, ILLUSION, HATRED, INQUISITION, LIBERATION, MENTALISM, LUST, METAL, MADNESS, MIND, MOON, NOBILITY, OCEAN, MYSTICISM, ORACLE, ORC, PLANNING, PACT, PORTAL, PESTILENCE, PESTILENCE, PURIFICATION, RUNE, RENEWAL, SCALYKIND, RETRIBUTION, SLIME, SPIDER, SLOTH, STORM, SPELL, SUFFERING, SUMMONER, TYRANNY, TIME, UNDEATH, TRADE, WEALTH, WINDSTORM, ABYSS, WRATH,

 

[HolyMan]

I think my question got lost in the debates and such.

I'm on the way to work but I will try and get an answer for you tonight.

hm

 

[Theroc]

Rathan is right that eventually one puts something of his own character in the hero one is playing. Don't tell me that you will take a hero you have nothing in common and would loathe in real life and play him or her for the sake of diversity only.

Torath is my expression of my 'righteous wrath'... since I often feel some people deserve a punch in the face, but laws and social pressures make it clear it's unacceptable. As a God, ain't nobody gonna be able to do much besides shake their head and sigh at his impulsive nature.

Oooh i just noticed there are a lot more extra domains in the Spell Compendium! Those sure can come in handy! Here are all the ones listed in the SC. If anyone of you guys wants to use one of these to better define your deity, let me know and i will post the spells/granted power.

BALANCE, CHARM, COLD, CAVERN, CELERITY, COMMUNITY, COMPETITION, CREATION, COURAGE, DARKNESS, CRAFT, DEATHBOUND, DOMINATION, DROW, DRAGON, DWARF, DREAM, ELF, ENVY, FAMILY, GLORY, GLUTTONY, FATE, FORCE, GNOME, GREED, HUNGER, HALFLING, ILLUSION, HATRED, INQUISITION, LIBERATION, MENTALISM, LUST, METAL, MADNESS, MIND, MOON, NOBILITY, OCEAN, MYSTICISM, ORACLE, ORC, PLANNING, PACT, PORTAL, PESTILENCE, PESTILENCE, PURIFICATION, RUNE, RENEWAL, SCALYKIND, RETRIBUTION, SLIME, SPIDER, SLOTH, STORM, SPELL, SUFFERING, SUMMONER, TYRANNY, TIME, UNDEATH, TRADE, WEALTH, WINDSTORM, ABYSS, WRATH,

Hm... I'll definitely have to look up these domains, (I have access to the Spell compendium thingy). I'm thinking Torath might be picking up some additional domains as his SDA's if I can get him the stat prereqs and the like. There doesn't seem to be too awful many that a straight fighter-based god can take. No 'Divine Fighter' SDA or anything. Though... Irresistable Blows and Annihilating Strikes are fairly potent in and of themselves.

 

[GlassEye]

Gahh! I am so behind on this character. I still need to finish skills and feats; I've barely begun on her weapon (mostly because I have no clue how to make what she would want); and I have to collect the oaths she's made for posting in the RG. Sigh. Well, I suppose that gives me something to do while waiting on resolution of the current situation.

 

[Theroc]

Gahh! I am so behind on this character. I still need to finish skills and feats; I've barely begun on her weapon (mostly because I have no clue how to make what she would want); and I have to collect the oaths she's made for posting in the RG. Sigh. Well, I suppose that gives me something to do while waiting on resolution of the current situation.

I'm still further behind on Torath. I'm sort of getting bogged down figuring out where I need to get him now so he'll develop later. Most of the later abilities require skyhigh wisdom and charisma scores... and special class features and the like which are all things Torath will lack. Kinda makes me concerned.

For a weapon... I assume Torath's 'Favored weapon' can't be a natural one, lol.