Your Thoughts on the Matrix Revolutions?

[MarauderX]

Ok, gotta comment on this finally after seeing it last night.

Chase scene:

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I thought it was great that the Trainman got away, and made more of an interesting quandry of 'what do we do now'. The figured something out naturally, and I liked how Merv and his peeps are all decked out like they should be - the Devil in his lair, hell, as he was striking deals with all sorts of people from the indian guy to Morph & Trin. Everyone comes to him eventually...

The Oracle:

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I think she doesn't really have a 'soul' per se, but probably just sits and runs probability of things occuring in a certain manner based on actions and reactions of everything she sees, which is a lot. It's safe to say she influences things to an outcome she wants, and probably cooks up ways to manipulate people and outcomes. After all, this whole thing has happened 6 times before, right?

Zion: Cool.

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The graphics were cool, eventhough some of the timing was perhaps a little off for my tastes. I was wondering why the 'spiders' didn't use some different stratagies for attacking, but I loved it for the shear amount of action anyway.

War: what's it good for?

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I wonder how the war originally got started in the first place, and why the machines bother with the pesky humans when they have enough of a problem with some cancerous programs seeking to doom the system. And why should Neo save the machine's network for them? Perhaps in a few hours the machines would have been shut down or taken over by Smith, and if Zion could have held out longer they wouldn't have to worry about being attacked until Smith took total control, which he seemed close to doing. Would Smith have just shut the matrix and all of the machines down, leaving the humans to die?

Matrix logic: why plug humans into the Matrix to begin with?

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I also was wondering why the machines didn't cook up a program or two to deal with Smith, to affect him when they were assimilated just like Neo did. As Smith controls all of the 'human' minds in one neat bundle, start trying to re-write his code to make him more docile, or put him in a sub-Matrix that keeps the human 'batteries' under wraps.
Then I got back to the original conclusion - if the humans are only used for heat and electricity production, why do the machines ever plug them all in a Matrix? Why bother when you could keep them floating in the baggies doing the same thing? Put some restraints on them at birth and forget about entertaining them. They would lose any advantage to learn and ability to communicate, rendering a pack of free humans pretty close to neanderthals. But thankfully I am not a machine, as that doesn't make for a great set of movies.

Overall, I gotta give the trilogy a 10/10 simply for having very cool ideas and running with them, as well as mucking with your mind. The action scenes are the best out there for this day and age, and with a story that began by making you second-guess what reality is, how can you go wrong? The religious, greek mythology, and other references were well thought out and depicted and I couldn't have been more pleased with the direction of the films.

 

[buzzard]

Just got back from seeing the movie. It was good. It wasn't great. It also wasn't bad. It was simply good. It did what it needed to do to be a Matrix movie- it was cool. Was it as cool as the first one? Of course not. Cool is fairly dependent on novelty. However it was cool because it kept you watching.

Now was the direction, dialog and plot first rate? Not really, but then that has never been what the Matrix is about, so don't fool yourselves. It has always been about Cool. I walked out thinking "that was cool. " Of course when I left the first movie I walked out saying "That was COOL!!". I will at some point own the whole series and be willing to watch all of them (with judicious use of the scene skip during Reloaded).

buzzard

 

[Wolf72]

hey MarauderX ... have you seen the animatrix yet? ... the second rennaissance pt's 1 and 2 will explain some of the origins of the war for you.

*wolf just got back from seeing the show ... very pleased*

I glanced over some comments already written, and I think one reason that they didn't really use armor ... well it didn't do so hot the first time around (the first war w/ the machines).

anyway I like how they showed that the sky was pretty well still scorched ...

first chance I get I'm gonna spend a couple of hours on the matrix site ... free comics anyone?

[edit] ... weren't most of the EMP's on the hovercrafts? ... how would the battle have gone if smith/bane hadn't sabotaged the attack. ... I wonder if the had the tech to build EMP's, it seems they were left overs in the hovercraft that just worked. (but yah, I would have tried to get a couple of EMP's around home too).

 

[Trainz]

To reajust my original comments with everything posted here (made me think), it is true that, has a whole, the Matrix is a success. It wasn't LOTR, but the W. bros. succeeded.

And also, the open mechs, the dirty clothes, and all those... is like complaining about the sound you hear when a ship blows up in Star-Wars. It would have been more realistic, but the general "feel" of the movie would have suffered: artistic license.

Thanks for the heads-up on how to properly use the spoiler tag Barendor.

And I totally forgot about

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the Bane character.

THAT was MIND-BLOWING ! The way

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he spoke with Smith's speech manerism,

was masterfully done. I kept looking at my GF with a "WOW!" look during that scene. Some very memorable scenes in the 3rd matrix, despite it's flaws.

But you see, that scene (

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the Bane character

) was about ACTING and SCREENPLAY, not gazillion dollars special effects, which was the point of my previous post in this thread.

But in a sense, the fact that I forgot such a cool thing after watching the whole thing, is kinda a failure as a whole... of the producers, or my brain, that is yet to be determined...

edit: dyxlesia

 

[Tsyr]

Re: Bane

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Actually, I think the actor for Bane did Smith TOO well. ANYONE who had ever been around Smith for more than a few seconds (Like Morpheus and Neo) should have recognized the speach mannerisms (And even the voice) almost instantly.

 

[buzzard]

Re: Bane

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Actually, I think the actor for Bane did Smith TOO well. ANYONE who had ever been around Smith for more than a few seconds (Like Morpheus and Neo) should have recognized the speach mannerisms (And even the voice) almost instantly.

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Yes, but it was also firmly believed that an agent couldn't take over a human or especially come back into the real world. Hence Neo had such a hard time making the connection even with all the prompting.

buzzard

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Oh...someone was talking about why the machines didn't just build up past the sky, and along the same lines, why the humans didn't just fly UP into the sky.

Well...

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Its basically a giant EMP. Didn't you see it kill all the sentinels and take out all the systems of the Logos...?

 

[mmu1]

Oh...someone was talking about why the machines didn't just build up past the sky, and along the same lines, why the humans didn't just fly UP into the sky.

Well...

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Its basically a giant EMP. Didn't you see it kill all the sentinels and take out all the systems of the Logos...?

Bah. In that case all you need is a few dirigibles with no electronics to carry the equipment past the "EMP layer", then repair and re-set the electrical systems and start building a utopia above the clouds.

It's all a load of crap, anyway, the machines survive nukes but don't seem to be able to shield against EMP.

And can people cut it out with the spoiler tag BS? If someone isn't smart enough to figure out a thread discussing a movie has spoilers, they deserve what they get...

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Bah. In that case all you need is a few dirigibles with no electronics to carry the equipment past the "EMP layer", then repair and re-set the electrical systems and start building a utopia above the clouds.

It's all a load of crap, anyway, the machines survive nukes but don't seem to be able to shield against EMP.

*shrugs* Its called Science-Fiction for a reason. Everything doesn't HAVE to make sense, but eh. I do understand what you mean though, guess I just feel satisfied with leaving it as it is.

 

[mmu1]

*shrugs* Its called Science-Fiction for a reason. Everything doesn't HAVE to make sense, but eh. I do understand what you mean though, guess I just feel satisfied with leaving it as it is.

For the record, I don't mind that movie "science" doesn't make sense, I just mind when people try to convince me that it actually does.

As for it being science-fiction... That label is so overused and inapproriate it's not even funny. Basically, "sci-fi" these days means "high-tech fantasy", and you can hardly find a book or a film that actually has enough real scientifc basis to deserve it. Aside from movies like 2001 or something based on Crichton or Sagan, it's all just fairy tales with guns, robots and spaceships.