FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Is it established that this hypothetical bonus action requires you use the extra damage on your next hit?
D&D 5E Improving Two-Weapon Fighting
Is it established that this hypothetical bonus action requires you use the extra damage on your next hit?
Xeviat
Hero
Xeviat
Hero
Yeah that. Also, if you look at later designs, The Warlock's Eldritch Smite from Xanathar's, are limited to once per round.
Since Eldritch Smite grants the prone effect, I may want to buff my nerfed Holy Smite.
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
You go for it. I like [MENTION=205]TwoSix[/MENTION] implementation better. You don't have to change a blazillion other rules to get it to work.
Xeviat
Hero
d8, because Dual Wielder still takes away the light weapon requirement. Does that change your calculations much?
Not really. Someone spent a feat on that silly shizz, it should do something. Or less than nothing anyway, one of the two.
It really is just rerolls minus stat mods. I don't think that's OP in a game where advantage is king. If it somehow stacked with, say, elven accuracy or the common advantage grabs (or whatever) I'd probably feel differently, but it doesn't. Attacking with advantage takes a lot of the juice out of this proposed version of TWF (which I'm fine with). It is good for getting sneak attack off, but I'm fine with that too.
Hmm, I'm trying to think of a DPR or nova superstar build that could abuse this rule and I can't think of one. Someone may though, and that would be a good litmus test.
Xeviat
Hero
Oh, I'm not saying your idea was bad, just wanted to point out that your feat would do a little more additional damage
I just would prefer to not make a fix into a feat. My idea requires a lot of other little changes, but I like to make house rules anyway.
The logic of making at least part of the fix into a feat is to have TWF scale the same way as the other fighting styles, which is to say have at least some of the tasty bits gated behind a feat. It makes sense to me. The proposed fix we're talking about here both boosts TWF for the non-feat user (the reroll basic attack misses part), which is badly needed, but also adds some juice to the more specialized style characters who would like TWF to be even moderately competitive with the other styles once feats are counted in (which it currently is not). I think it's pretty balanced, overall.
We all have our own tastes in rules hacking of course, so YMMV.
We all have our own tastes in rules hacking of course, so YMMV.
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TwoSix
Dirty, realism-hating munchkin powergamer
If you think of one, let me know. I would guess Hexblade something something, or maybe a crit-fisher. I tried a Vengeance Paladin with Hunter's Mark up, but it's not any better than PAM in that case.
Most of my calculations showed that GWM and SS scale much better as accuracy bonuses stack up (once your hit w/ advantage gets into the 95% range). So doing something like permanent advantage + Elven Accuracy won't really help either. Although I might try a crit-fishing Champion 15 to see what the numbers look like. Dex Melee with the -X/+X mechanic isn't currently in the game, so it's worth putting it through its paces.
This is really the key to this whole idea IMO, I agree that Dex probably should have a -X/+x option, or at least something like it. I think the Champion would be a good test though. If you're fishing for crits you might actually want a reduced chance to hit and a reroll, although advantage does already have that mostly covered. I'd be interested to see if TWF with out permanent advantage works well for crits. You crunch it, I'll read it.
I would probably prefer to have TWF use something other than -X/+X, just for variety's sake, but it's probably way easier to balance when you keep the mechanic the same. I'd rather see something with combo attacks, but I haven't had a great idea about how to make that work.
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