A Paladin's Challenge

[vhailor]

1.How does Divine Challenge work? I get to attack a target, use Divine Challenge on another, and attack the second creature on my next turn? Or do I have to attack the turn I use the challenge?

2.Can a paladin use the lay on hands power on himself?

3.Lately, many claim that the choice Paladin/Warlock is one of the best, if a paladin wants to multiclass. Almost all of them make that because of the eyebite power(as encounter)? Is it really so good? I have doubts about the choice, since you get the benefits of the invisibility only once per encounter and, in most cases, only if you spend an action point, which is once per extended rest (unless a milestone you reach before that time).

 

[satin]

2.Can a paladin use the lay on hands power on himself?

Target of Lay on Hands is "one creature", and p. 57 of the PHB says, "'Creature' or 'creatures' means allies and enemies both, as well as you." So, that's a yes.

 

[Kordeth]

1.How does Divine Challenge work? I get to attack a target, use Divine Challenge on another, and attack the second creature on my next turn? Or do I have to attack the turn I use the challenge?

When you mark a target with Divine Challenge, you have to either attack that target by the end of your turn, or end your turn adjacent to it. If you don't fulfill one of those requirements, the challenge ends. In your example, if you attack one target, then mark a second target, you have to use your move action to move adjacent to it or the mark will go away at the end of your turn (or if you have a minor-action attack power, you could hit it with that).

2.Can a paladin use the lay on hands power on himself?

Yes.

3.Lately, many claim that the choice Paladin/Warlock is one of the best, if a paladin wants to multiclass. Almost all of them make that because of the eyebite power(as encounter)? Is it really so good? I have doubts about the choice, since you get the benefits of the invisibility only once per encounter and, in most cases, only if you spend an action point, which is once per extended rest (unless a milestone you reach before that time).

It's really not. It comes from people obsessing over the idea that a paladin can turn invisible, mark a target, and essentially force it to take damage from Divine Challenge because it can't see the paladin to attack him. It sounds like a good exploit in theory, but it's really not all that effective at all.

 

[charcoalninja]

It's really not. It comes from people obsessing over the idea that a paladin can turn invisible, mark a target, and essentially force it to take damage from Divine Challenge because it can't see the paladin to attack him. It sounds like a good exploit in theory, but it's really not all that effective at all.

True but it works MUCH better from a Warlock as your starting class since you can curse the target, Divine Challenge it then smack it with Eyebite every round forcing it to take the extra damage each turn or negating it's ability to attack altogether. Since paladin as a base class only gets eyebite once it really isn't that OMGawesome. Since a Warlock specialises in smacking down a single target anyway focusing on the biggest baddie you can find in this way allows you to maximise your once an encounter challenge ability.

 

[FireLance]

True but it works MUCH better from a Warlock as your starting class since you can curse the target, Divine Challenge it then smack it with Eyebite every round forcing it to take the extra damage each turn or negating it's ability to attack altogether. Since paladin as a base class only gets eyebite once it really isn't that OMGawesome. Since a Warlock specialises in smacking down a single target anyway focusing on the biggest baddie you can find in this way allows you to maximise your once an encounter challenge ability.

Assuming, of course, that you always hit with your eyebite . In addition, with the new stealth rules, your marked opponent still knows which square you're in unless you make a Stealth check that beats his passive Perception (again, not guaranteed). Still, a -5 to hit you isn't too shabby.

 

[DracoSuave]

Assuming, of course, that you always hit with your eyebite . In addition, with the new stealth rules, your marked opponent still knows which square you're in unless you make a Stealth check that beats his passive Perception (again, not guaranteed). Still, a -5 to hit you isn't too shabby.

-5 to hit you, -2 to hit everyone else... take damage if they don't attack you tho...

...yeah. Not a bad dilemma to stick on a monster once per encounter.

 

[Vlastos]

Excuse this message - this is a test post challenge for someone new to the forums.

 

[DracoSuave]

1.How does Divine Challenge work? I get to attack a target, use Divine Challenge on another, and attack the second creature on my next turn? Or do I have to attack the turn I use the challenge?

Alright, it seems confusing at first, but if you think of every use of Divine Challenge as a fresh new ability, it makes a lot more sense.

First- You can only use Divine Challenge once per round. (Remember that for later)

So, let's say you're engaging a target, and you use Divine Challenge on a second target.

If you don't want to lose DC for a round, you have to either engage that new target, or use DC on a different target. Because you can only DC once per round, you cannot use DC on a different target. This means you must engage the new target.

However, you don't necessarily have to -attack- the new target, just finish your round next to him. In your example, you haven't used your move action yet, so you're more than capable of sauntering adjacent to the new monster, and that will satisfy DC's requirements.

So, the answer to your question is 'Yes, you can, if and only if you end your round adjacent to the second creature.'

 

[Eccles]

So what happens if you use the Divine Challenge as the last action in the turn?

Ohhhh... On your turn... It's written right there in front of me and I missed it...

So tha paladin challenge constrains the (non-javelin or eyebiting) paladin almost as much as the target?

 

[Danceofmasks]

Well, yeah ... that's why it's a "fight me you @#$%!" thingie.