Immortals Handbook - Godsend

[Upper_Krust]

Hey guys!

I know I'm looking forward to it. I've been waiting since Ascension.

I was hoping for a preview of some sort around Halloween, but looks like it's going to have a lot of material so now I'm hoping for Christmas.

Definite preview before Xmas, and I am taking 4 weeks off in January to get it finished, and as well as Godsend, I may also have a small 4E product ready for the end of January. Not the 4E Immortals Handbook, but a pantheon related product as a sort of teaser to the 4E IH, only 32 pages. I'm also working on the 4E IH, but I think its a tad ambitious to think I'll have that ready just yet.

 

[dante58701]

Hey guys!

Alo dere

Definite preview before Xmas, and I am taking 4 weeks off in January to get it finished, and as well as Godsend, I may also have a small 4E product ready for the end of January. Not the 4E Immortals Handbook, but a pantheon related product as a sort of teaser to the 4E IH, only 32 pages. I'm also working on the 4E IH, but I think its a tad ambitious to think I'll have that ready just yet.

Excellent, although I'm not interested in the 4E material, it should make 4E fans happy. I'll be more interested in the 3.5E material myself. Especially the monsters I LOVE epic monsters. They are a lot fun.

What monsters will be in Godsend that we might not know about yet? I'm rather curious.

If you discontinue 3.5 after Godsend, will you put your remaining 3.5 notes in a PDF?

 

[paradox42]

If you discontinue 3.5 after Godsend, will you put your remaining 3.5 notes in a PDF?

...That's what Godsend is, by the things UK said in this and other threads. It's the remaining notes on 3.5 rules, done up and edited together as a PDF (though perhaps a few ridiculous monsters like the Black Hole Dragon won't actually be in it).

 

[dante58701]

...That's what Godsend is, by the things UK said in this and other threads. It's the remaining notes on 3.5 rules, done up and edited together as a PDF (though perhaps a few ridiculous monsters like the Black Hole Dragon won't actually be in it).

If that's the case, then...excellent I'd love to see his notes. All those wonderful ideas in digital format It'll enhance epic campaigns even further.

Think it will include his fey race? I think he called them Eldren?

Hey Krusty I found something...

"Artifacts are superficially similar to the epic magic items that epic
mortals possess. However, the former, as extensions of a deity’s will cannot
be simply sundered, but instead must be un-made (involving an
expenditure of quintessence equal to its creation)." - Krusty

This is an excerpt from ascension.

Epic mortals possess epic items that are only superficially similar to artifacts?

I thought that epic magic items and artifacts were supposed to be the same thing, not two different things entirely.

My brain nearly seized up when I caught that sentence under the ARTIFACTS section of Ascension.

With that particular wording you clearly separate artifacts from epic magic items.

Which is contradictory to all your earlier statements about them being the same thing.

I'm going to assume for now that it was a clerical error.

There was something else I noticed.

Artifacts require quintessence to create (as stated in the rules for destroying them).

1. How does an epic mortal go about making artifacts (epic magic items) if they are not a deity?
2. Is an artifact a soul object since it requires quintessence to be constructed?
3. If artifacts are not soul objects, why would someone make artifacts when they can just make soul objects?
4. Or, why would, someone not just collect deities with Double (Object) portfolios?
5. Do soul objects (avatars and aspects in artifact form) count against your artifact total? If so...why should they? They are avatars and aspects. Free-willed entities that have no reliance upon you at all to exist.
Just some things I noticed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey dante dude!

If that's the case, then...excellent I'd love to see his notes. All those wonderful ideas in digital format It'll enhance epic campaigns even further.

See the thing about 'notes' is that there are notes on a piece of paper and then there are notes on a piece of paper worth typing up. Godsend may have the latter, but not so much of the former.

Think it will include his fey race? I think he called them Eldren?

I dunno about those. They were not necessarily Fey, although the original idea (which was Simon's) had them being the first race and thus the primogenitors of the Elves. However, I was simply taking the name and putting my own spin on it, which had less to do with Elves (although the Eldren still would have been the first race)

Hey Krusty I found something...

"Artifacts are superficially similar to the epic magic items that epic
mortals possess. However, the former, as extensions of a deity’s will cannot
be simply sundered, but instead must be un-made (involving an
expenditure of quintessence equal to its creation)." - Krusty

This is an excerpt from ascension.

Okay.

Epic mortals possess epic items that are only superficially similar to artifacts?

I thought that epic magic items and artifacts were supposed to be the same thing, not two different things entirely.

My brain nearly seized up when I caught that sentence under the ARTIFACTS section of Ascension.

With that particular wording you clearly separate artifacts from epic magic items.

Which is contradictory to all your earlier statements about them being the same thing.

I'm going to assume for now that it was a clerical error.

In 3E, Artifacts are fundamentally similar to Epic Items. The sole difference being the ability to destroy them.

There was something else I noticed.

Artifacts require quintessence to create (as stated in the rules for destroying them).

Of course, otherwise they are simply epic items.

1. How does an epic mortal go about making artifacts (epic magic items) if they are not a deity?

They can't unless they have some source of Quintessence. They could conceivably use quintessence from other artifacts to power a new artifact or make a deal with a deity or find some other way.

2. Is an artifact a soul object since it requires quintessence to be constructed?

Not necessarily, soul objects are types of artifacts. All soul objects are artifacts but not all artifacts are soul objects.

3. If artifacts are not soul objects, why would someone make artifacts when they can just make soul objects?

Soul objects require more investment and have repercussions upon the creator when used/damaged/destroyed.

4. Or, why would, someone not just collect deities with Double (Object) portfolios?

Just 'collect' them like they grow on trees or something!?

5. Do soul objects (avatars and aspects in artifact form) count against your artifact total? If so...why should they? They are avatars and aspects. Free-willed entities that have no reliance upon you at all to exist.
Just some things I noticed.

They count against the total while being used yes.

 

[dante58701]

Hey dante dude!

Hey there

I dunno about those. They were not necessarily Fey, although the original idea (which was Simon's) had them being the first race and thus the primogenitors of the Elves. However, I was simply taking the name and putting my own spin on it, which had less to do with Elves (although the Eldren still would have been the first race)

I kinda like the idea of a FIRST race for elves, fey, etc..

In 3E, Artifacts are fundamentally similar to Epic Items. The sole difference being the ability to destroy them.

Ah, so you can have multiple EPIC MAGIC ITEMS, you just can't have multiple ARTIFACTS, which are a more powerful KIND of EPIC MAGIC ITEM. *facepalms in embarrassment*

I was mistakenly thinking you had completely done away with epic magic items and just made all epic magic items artifacts in a blanket ruling.

They can't unless they have some source of Quintessence. They could conceivably use quintessence from other artifacts to power a new artifact or make a deal with a deity or find some other way.

That make sense. Are there rules on this yet?

Soul objects require more investment and have repercussions upon the creator when used/damaged/destroyed.

Ah, so they have the regular quintessence cost + the cost of the quintessence stored in it?

Just 'collect' them like they grow on trees or something!?

In magic heavy campaigns they can. Especially if animated objects are a common theme.

Thanks for all the feedback, it clears up some snaggling things I've been trying to figure out.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there

Hiya mate!

I kinda like the idea of a FIRST race for elves, fey, etc..

I like the Leshey too.

Ah, so you can have multiple EPIC MAGIC ITEMS, you just can't have multiple ARTIFACTS, which are a more powerful KIND of EPIC MAGIC ITEM. *facepalms in embarrassment*

Any immortal carrying mere epic magic items would be disjoined and 'anti-magicked' before they knew what hit them.

I was mistakenly thinking you had completely done away with epic magic items and just made all epic magic items artifacts in a blanket ruling.

Only indirectly. Epic magic items are an irrelevance to immortals, see above for why.

That make sense. Are there rules on this yet?

I'll see about some.

Ah, so they have the regular quintessence cost + the cost of the quintessence stored in it?

Correct.

In magic heavy campaigns they can.

No I don't think so. Deities don't grow on trees...unless they are Nature Gods.

Also what makes you think the 'god-object' would allow itself to be 'used'. It uses wielders, not vice versa.

Especially if animated objects are a common theme.

Stretching things a bit.

Thanks for all the feedback, it clears up some snaggling things I've been trying to figure out.

Always happy to help amigo.

 

[dante58701]

Hiya mate!

Howdy

Any immortal carrying mere epic magic items would be disjoined and 'anti-magicked' before they knew what hit them.

I'm sure there is a way around that.

Always happy to help amigo.

Thanks again

 

[Alzrius]

Good idea, I'll have to sort it all out and get something to you. At this stage though it might be in multiple pieces/formats for the different chapters.

It should be okay on my end. These next three weeks are the best opportunity I'll have for a while to devote some free time to this.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

It should be okay on my end. These next three weeks are the best opportunity I'll have for a while to devote some free time to this.

I know, I know. Sorry mate. The whole thing is logistically impossible to finish without being off work. The good news being its now been 99% confirmed* I'll have 7 weeks off from the second week of January.

*My manager has confirmed it and only a veto from the BBEG (the big boss) can stop me now.

I'll still try and have a preview for Xmas (I have about a week off between now and then, I work tonight and the 23rd and thats it).

Sorry we weren't able to parallel our efforts at the optimum time. I totally appreciate the offer.