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Are there warm places in space?

Let me re-phrase the question. Let's ignore, for a moment, the fact that deadly things like lack of air and radiation might kill me fast. If I jump out of a spaceship without the protection of a space suit, but with a supply of air (you can call it space scuba diving), what will happen? Do I chill slowly, freeze fast, or fry?

This is a complicated question.

Let us say you have a bottle of air, and a face mask that seals well. The next thing I have to ask is - how quickly do you open the airlock door? How quickly the pressure changes matters.

So long as you don't decompress "explosively", and can keep air and pressure in your lungs, you survive the first minutes of exposure to vacuum. You may get a mild case of "the bends", but that's about all. No biggie, nothing there that'll kill you, or wouldn't heal if you returned to pressure.

So, you are still alive. Your metabolism is still running, and your body is still generating new heat. But your body is also radiating away heat in the infrared. The question is then whether one of those processes is stronger than the other. It is not clear to me that one is so dominant that it'll outright kill you. If one of those processes is really dominant, eventually you freeze or die of heat stroke. But otherwise, given an air, water, and food supply, you may survive close to indefinitely.

But now we get to that "radiation" thing. All sunlight is radiation. If your basic question is whether being close to a star makes you hotter, then you're talking about having sunlight hit you - and you don't get to filter it!

If you are around Earth's orbit, massive sunburn sets in within minutes. Massive as in worse than the worst you ever hear about. Closer in to the Sun, and the sunburn will be near instantaneous. Out by Pluto, it'd take a lot longer.

As for outright temperature... well, the planet Mercury has no substantial atmosphere to hold or distribute heat. Surface temperatures range from 800 °F where the sun is directly overhead, to near -300 °F in the bottoms of craters near the poles where the sun never shines.
 
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This is a complicated question.

Let us say you have a bottle of air, and a face mask that seals well. The next thing I have to ask is - how quickly do you open the airlock door? How quickly the pressure changes matters.

So long as you don't decompress "explosively", and can keep air and pressure in your lungs, you survive the first minutes of exposure to vacuum. You may get a mild case of "the bends", but that's about all. No biggie, nothing there that'll kill you, or wouldn't heal if you returned to pressure.

So, you are still alive. Your metabolism is still running, and your body is still generating new heat. But your body is also radiating away heat in the infrared. The question is then whether one of those processes is stronger than the other. It is not clear to me that one is so dominant that it'll outright kill you. If one of those processes is really dominant, eventually you freeze or die of heat stroke. But otherwise, given an air, water, and food supply, you may survive close to indefinitely.

But now we get to that "radiation" thing. All sunlight is radiation. If your basic question is whether being close to a star makes you hotter, then you're talking about having sunlight hit you - and you don't get to filter it!

If you are around Earth's orbit, massive sunburn sets in within minutes. Massive as in worse than the worst you ever hear about. Closer in to the Sun, and the sunburn will be near instantaneous. Out by Pluto, it'd take a lot longer.

As for outright temperature... well, the planet Mercury has no substantial atmosphere to hold or distribute heat. Surface temperatures range from 800 °F where the sun is directly overhead, to near -300 °F in the bottoms of craters near the poles where the sun never shines.

Thank you. Although bizarre to think about, it certainly makes sense now.
 

Sort of related to this subject (Sun's light and heat) . . .

The greenhouse effect: if the elements and chemicals in the air trap heat on the Earth's surface, why don't these elements and chemicals reflect the heat before it reaches the Earth's surface?

Bullgrit
 

Sort of related to this subject (Sun's light and heat) . . .

The greenhouse effect: if the elements and chemicals in the air trap heat on the Earth's surface, why don't these elements and chemicals reflect the heat before it reaches the Earth's surface?

Bullgrit

To a certain degree, they do...

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Sort of related to this subject (Sun's light and heat) . . .

The greenhouse effect: if the elements and chemicals in the air trap heat on the Earth's surface, why don't these elements and chemicals reflect the heat before it reaches the Earth's surface?

Bullgrit

To a certain degree, they do...

sunlight_earth_atmosphere_comet_sm.gif


greenhouse_effect_comet_sm.gif

Which is why during the early days of the Obama administration Obama's "Green Science Advisor Czar" was stating we should shoot "pollution particles" into the atmosphere to combat global warming (even though for years all the global warming scientists were saying that we should get rid of pollution particles to prevent global warming).

Then again, there has been worse and will be worse bone head, power hungry, and control grabbing, decisions made in the name of "global warming"... like the EPA declaring that Carbon dioxide is a harmful gas and should be eliminated/regulated (even though all life expels it, and plants need it to create oxygen).
 
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Which is why during the early days of the Obama administration Obama's "Green Science Advisor Czar" was stating we should shoot "pollution particles" into the atmosphere to combat global warming (even though for years all the global warming scientists were saying that we should get rid of pollution particles to prevent global warming).

No offense to Pbartender, but I think this deserves an answer in text to be sure things are clear.

When you shine light on a surface, some of that light is reflected by the surface, and some is absorbed. The fraction of light a surface reflects is called its albedo. Surfaces that reflect a lot of light (typically white surfaces - ice and cloud tops) have an albedo near 1. Surfaces that absorb a lot of light (say, deep, dark oceans) have an albedo near 0.

Reflected light shoots right back out into space. Absorbed light heats up the surface that absorbed it - and part of that heat is re-radiated out as infrared light.

Greenhouse gases are compounds that are transparent to the visible light that comes in, but are extraordinarily good at absorbing infrared light - they let light in, but they don't let heat out. Just like a greenhouse, thus the name.

Not all "pollution particles" are the same. The "pollution particles" that are suggested as a solution to global warming are not greenhouse gases - they are usually particles that tend to increase the albedo of the atmosphere, usually by encouraging cloud formation. The idea is that if we reduce the amount of light that gets absorbed, we cool the atmosphere in general. I have seen some other plans that call for releasing gases that will bind with carbon,and remove it form the atmosphere, but these seem a bit more far-fetched to me.

Sometimes the media just lumps things into "pollution", but you can't blame that on the scientists. Media reports this stuff poorly, at best.



Then again, there has been worse and will be worse bone head, power hungry, and control grabbing, decisions made in the name of "global warming"... like the EPA declaring that Carbon dioxide is a harmful gas and should be eliminated/regulated (even though all life expels it, and plants need it to create oxygen).

Well, again, there's something here to note...

Yes, all life works with Carbon dioxide. Animals exhale it, and plants take it in - not only to make oxygen, but that's how they get carbon to make their bodies as well. Carbon becomes part of living organisms, we die, decompose, and release that carbon back into the environment - this creates what is often called the "carbon cycle". It is perfectly natural, and the Earth has feedback loops to help control it, and to help stabilize the Earth's temperature somewhat.

Here's the thing - every bit of fossil fuel we burn puts carbon itno the atmosphere that hasn't been in the cycle for tens to hundreds of millions of years. It isn't part of the current budget, and the Earth's feedback system cannot handle it as fast as we release it, especially as we decrease forested land - which is a major place where atmospheric carbon goes to get out of the atmosphere.

This is part of why so many folks like the concept of "biofuels" - fuels that are made out of currently living things. Those fuels use carbon that is already in the cycle, rather than releasing carbon that isn't in the current cycle, and so don't alter the Earth's overall carbon budget. Unfortunately, none of these fuels are at a point technologically where we are sure we can produce them in enough bulk efficiently, so that we get more out of the fuel than we put into making them.

So, in the end, while living things use carbon dioxide, that doesn't make all carbon dioxide tolerable.
 

No offense to Pbartender, but I think this deserves an answer in text to be sure things are clear.

None taken... Mine was the a-picture-is-a-thousand-words answer that I could put together quick on my break at work.

Thank you for the elaboration I didn't quite have time for.
 

Wow.

This is a really interesting topic, though I would say that (if we play spaceRPGs) it could even go into General Forum.

I am not an astrophysicist, nor am I a biologist, nor am I a meteorologist, but this is really good information. I love that we have some really smart people here at EnWorld.

Maybe someday I can offer some helpful advice in my field of expertise!
 

Umbran said:
When you shine light on a surface, some of that light is reflected by the surface, and some is absorbed. The fraction of light a surface reflects is called its albedo. Surfaces that reflect a lot of light (typically white surfaces - ice and cloud tops) have an albedo near 1. Surfaces that absorb a lot of light (say, deep, dark oceans) have an albedo near 0.
This explanation comes at a convenient time for me. A few days ago, I saw one of those demonstrations of the black-and-white paddles inside a glass bulb -- the thing that spins when light is shone on it. I'm sure this has a name, but I don't know it, so I can't look up the answer to my question online.

I've seen these things before, but it has been a very long time. I thought they were supposed to spin in the direction of the black side. The black side absorbing light (being "pulled" toward the light), and the white side reflecting light (being "pushed" away from the light). But this one I saw recently was going reverse of that. It was spinning in the direction of the white side -- the white side moved closer to the light, and the black side moved away from the light.

At first I thought it was a trick (it was a store demonstration for glass windows), so I put my hand between the light and the spinner, expecting maybe the spinner would continue as if on a motor. But the spinner stopped, suggesting that it was, indeed, spinning due to the light shining on it.

So I've always thought these things spin the opposite of how it really works? Why does the black side move away from the light and the white side move towards the light?

I even took a video of this thing with my cell phone, but I'm not in a position to upload the video right now.

Bullgrit
 

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