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Supernatural season finale (Spoilers)

jaerdaph

#UkraineStrong
If the show wrapped up at this season's finale, I'd have been satisfied and content too. And Sam's status at the end might not be so up in the air...

[sblock]The streetlights blew out as Sam appeared in front of Dean's house. Weird electrical stuff like that is something we've seen happen a lot with the arrival of angels. Maybe Sam is an angel now?[/sblock]
 

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Felon

First Post
I gotta say, this is the most underrated show on TV. Thank god for the CW's low standards for renewing series, or else this show would never have made it.

Having said that, I think they need to stop wrapping up seasons with one of the brothers hopelessly, irrevocably doomed. It's an annoying fake-out.
 

Merkuri

Explorer
[sblock]The streetlights blew out as Sam appeared in front of Dean's house. Weird electrical stuff like that is something we've seen happen a lot with the arrival of angels. Maybe Sam is an angel now?[/sblock]

[sblock]Nah, I think angel is going a bit too far. I could see God mysteriously restoring him or him finding a way (using Satan's powers and gallons of demon blood) to project himself back into the world, but him being an angel is just a bit much. Besides, wouldn't he have to inhabit a vessel, meaning he wouldn't look like Sam?[/sblock]
 

jaerdaph

#UkraineStrong
[sblock]Nah, I think angel is going a bit too far. I could see God mysteriously restoring him or him finding a way (using Satan's powers and gallons of demon blood) to project himself back into the world, but him being an angel is just a bit much. Besides, wouldn't he have to inhabit a vessel, meaning he wouldn't look like Sam?[/sblock]

[sblock]The need for a vessel is a good point. [/sblock]
 

Okie, first, I'm not using spoiler blocks. Anyone reading this far into a thread about a season finale that they haven't watched yet has only themselves to blame if they're spoiled. :p

Second, to save myself some typing, I'm just going to copy-paste what I just posted in my own blog. Judging by the other posts in this thread, it won't be a popular opinion. ;)

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There’s a great deal of discussion and debate online as to whether there should be a season 6 (there will be, for those who haven’t already heard), or as to what the ending might have looked like if there wasn’t going to be one. And I’ve seen a lot of people say that, if you simply cut the very last shot (where it shows Sam outside the house), but leave everything else, that that’s the way the series should have ended.

To which I say, not a freaking chance. That would’ve been absolutely wrong.

Would it have been a powerful ending? Absolutely. But it’s not enough for a series to have a good ending (by whatever values of good you choose to use to measure). It also needs the right ending.

And ending the series with Sam in Hell and Dean struggling to live a normal life when all he wants to do is die, because he promised Sam he would, might be powerful, and it might be moving, and it might be well done, but it’s wrong.

Supernatural goes to some very dark places, as it should. The main characters hurt and suffer and grieve, and not everything comes up roses. But those dark places? Those losses? Those aren’t what the show is about; they’re the obstacles put in front of the characters so they can show us what Supernatural is about.

And what it’s about, ultimately, is the family bond between Sam and Dean, and how much they can accomplish when supported by that bond. It’s about the triumph of the Winchester family, not the destruction of it.

“But Ari, that bond is what allowed Sam to defy Lucifer and save the world! Surely that qualifies as a triumph!”

Well, yes, it’s a triumph. But it’s not the right kind to end the series on. See, while the world may be “bigger” than Sam or Dean, it’s not the world’s show. It’s the brothers’. And so far as they were concerned, no, leaving them both in Hell–one figurative, one literal–does not and cannot showcase or support what has been the running theme of the series since scene one of episode one.

Do Sam and Dean need a “happily ever after”? No, I don’t think that’d be appropriate. But they need more than they got here. They need, at the least, either the potential for happiness or an “And they kept on hunting long after the series itself ended” ending.

Anything less, no matter how powerfully done, is the ending of a different series than the one we’ve been watching.

(And BTW, rumor is that season 6 is going back to a more episodic format, like season 1. If so, I say “Bravo!” You can’t try to top the apocalypse, so the trick isn’t to try; rather, pull back and focus more on the characters in the aftermath. Have an ongoing arc, sure, but push it to the background, as a change from the past three years of arc-heavy seasons. I’m actually looking forward to a few good old-fashioned “monster of the week” episodes.)
 

Merkuri

Explorer
And I’ve seen a lot of people say that, if you simply cut the very last shot (where it shows Sam outside the house), but leave everything else, that that’s the way the series should have ended.

I really like the unanswered questions of Sam standing outside the house in the very last scene, and I think this episode could have done as the series finale as it is, unedited.

Sam standing outside suggests that the story is not actually over, even if the series has ended. Sam could have just been a metaphor to represent that Dean has not given up on him even though he promised he would. Showing Sam standing outside like that may just be the writers' way of showing us that Sam will always be in Dean's thoughts, just out of reach.

And by the way, I would not call Dean going home to his kid and the woman he loves as hell. I'm sure he's suffering the loss of his brother, but losses like that fade with time, even though we may think otherwise. Whether he continues hunting or not, I wouldn't say this is a bad ending for him.

And something I just thought about - Sam trapped in the cage with Lucifer AND Michael is probably different than if Sam was just in there with Lucifer alone. They were talking about Sam's life in the cage being hell, but that was before they knew Michael would be in there as well.

No matter how bastard-like the angels are, I find it hard to believe that Michael would just stand by and let Lucifer torture Sam forever. It's not so much that I think Michael will protect Sam, but because Michael is there Lucifer can't focus on Sam full time. Worst case scenario I see is that Sam and the other vessel (whose name I forget - I'm bad with names) spend their time in the cage trying to stay out of the way of Lucifer and Michael, who end up fighting their Armageddon inside the cage. It's not great, sure, but it's also not being tortured for 20 years and then being forced to torture other souls for another 20. And the best case scenario is that the cage is actually some sort of stasis zone where the entities inside can't really do anything to each other.

So what I'm saying is that even is Sam stays in the cage it's probably not going to be as bad as what Dean went through in actual hell.

It is not a happy ending. It's a bittersweet ending. The brothers have parted, but their connection to each other saved the world, and I think that IS a triumph of exactly the right kind. Their sacrifice makes the ending that much more powerful.

This whole ending reminds me of the early Dragonlance novels that I read as a teenager. (Warning, spoilers for those novels upcoming... not bothering to sblock because they've been out for years and years.) I don't recall which books this happened in, but I do know that at the end of one trilogy or another Rastlin finally redeems himself by sacrificing himself to save his brother and the world. I don't recall the exact details of it now, but I know that Rastlin was my favorite character in the whole series, and as a teenager his death really tore me apart. It literally took me an entire week to come to terms with it (I'm sure my family thought I was insane) and realize that it was really the best ending that the authors could have written. The sacrifice was beautiful in that bittersweet way I've learned to love.

And then in the next book they brought him back with no effort at all. Poof, he's just back again. I felt like I had been slapped in the face. That emotional rollercoaster I rode on for a week while I came to terms with his death was all for nothing because he wasn't really gone. It's just like he took a nap or something.

This is how I feel about the ending to Supernatural (though not as strongly, of course, since the hormones of puberty aren't tugging at me this time). I don't want Sam to rot in hell forever, nor do I want Dean to mourn for his brother the rest of his life. But to bring Sam back would cheapen his sacrifice - both of their sacrifices. I know it's going to happen, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 

Diamond Cross

Banned
Banned
The Impala was Deus ax Machina. I've been watching the series since third season, have seen almost all of the episodes, and nowhere, at least to my knowledge, did any scene show a plastic army man in the ash tray or the legos in the heater.
 

jaerdaph

#UkraineStrong
The Impala was Deus ax Machina. I've been watching the series since third season, have seen almost all of the episodes, and nowhere, at least to my knowledge, did any scene show a plastic army man in the ash tray or the legos in the heater.

Even so, it was still believable, because of the amount of time they spent in that car all their lives.
 

Merkuri

Explorer
The Impala was Deus ax Machina. I've been watching the series since third season, have seen almost all of the episodes, and nowhere, at least to my knowledge, did any scene show a plastic army man in the ash tray or the legos in the heater.

I wouldn't call that Deus ex Machina. Like jaerdaph said, it was perfectly reasonable that a car they had lived in their entire life would have toys lodged in it somewhere.

Deus ex Machina comes out of nowhere. It would have been Deus ex Machina if last minute Dean or Bobby came up with a secret formula he could splash on Sam that would lock Satan away in the cage and not hurt Sam. Deus ex Machina was why I stopped watching Fringe.

But they've been setting this up for the entire season since we found out Sam was Lucifer's vessel. It was not the Impala or the army man that gave Sam the strength to rebel. It was Dean and the years they had spent together, the bond between them.

I said this before in the thread, but remember that it was not the army man that made Sam hesitate. He stopped when Dean said, "I'll never leave you." That was the moment when he realized Dean was not here to stop him or save him, Dean was there just because he couldn't stand to let his brother die alone.

The army man was just icing on the cake. Icing is not Deus ex Machina.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
To which I say, not a freaking chance. That would’ve been absolutely wrong.

There's also another reason it'd have been the wrong ending. For several seasons now, the final episode has started with Kansas' "Carry on My Wayward Son." Check out the lyrics:

"Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more"

The theme has been promising, at the end, there will be peace (of some variety) for the Winchester boys. Ending in this manner would break that promise, as neither one of them is at peace.
 

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