Paladin suggestions. Do you like this?

[Zaphling]

I know that this has been discussed, but i never saw the post.

anyhow, clerics follow gods, and paladin too.

what pathfinder and 3.5 said is "The paladin is the knight in shining armor, a devoted follower of law and good."

can Wotc changed the paladin into a virtue/vice type and non-god warrior?

i know the original paladin is LG, but just to satisfy the general crowd, how about paladins get power by their strong belief thru alignments. They are the epitome of an alignment, an alignment's servant. different to a god's servant.

This is just like the paladin found in Essentials. Non-god warrior.

 

[Zaphling]

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[the Jester]

Nope. Paladins are the champions of their deity. Non-god paladins turn me right off.

 

[Sanglorian]

I think it's a great idea. Leave the dedicated warrior of a god niche to the cleric, and let the paladin be a paragon of Lawful Good. The Luke Skywalker of fantasy: a moral champion constantly faced with the temptation to succumb and become an anti-paladin/blackguard. That's a story that's been told a thousand times before in every genre imaginable, and it's a good one.

I'm not keen on paladins for alignments other than good and evil, because I don't see the same fascinating temptation: 'Will he continue to do the chaotic thing, no matter how difficult, or will he follow his father and succumb to LAW‽'

 

[Zaphling]

I think it's a great idea. Leave the dedicated warrior of a god niche to the cleric, and let the paladin be a paragon of Lawful Good. The Luke Skywalker of fantasy: a moral champion constantly faced with the temptation to succumb and become an anti-paladin/blackguard. That's a story that's been told a thousand times before in every genre imaginable, and it's a good one.

I'm not keen on paladins for alignments other than good and evil, because I don't see the same fascinating temptation: 'Will he continue to do the chaotic thing, no matter how difficult, or will he follow his father and succumb to LAW‽'

I like this. We already know that Capt. America is the epitome of superhero paladinhood (credits to the one who thought about this. dont no hu u r)

Let's see about experimenting alignments with virtues.

sacrifice, needs lawful good. since you must follow all laws to be the shining example of good.

justice, needs lawful neutral. since you must be equally and be non-bias to anyone who transgress the law, good or evil.

freedom, needs chaotic good. I can't imagine 'freedom' being tied down to lawfulness. it's being a hyprocrite.

destruction of course is chaotic evil.

domination of course is lawful evil.


not sure of the remaining alignments.

 

[Sanglorian]

Why not leave each of the paladin motivations unassigned to an alignment? Batman could be a Lawful Good Paladin of Vengeance, for example.

 

[Zaphling]

Why not leave each of the paladin motivations unassigned to an alignment? Batman could be a Lawful Good Paladin of Vengeance, for example.

it was just my two cents. not final. but at least we are in the same flow that paladins be an alignment champion

 

[SSquirrel]

Why not leave each of the paladin motivations unassigned to an alignment? Batman could be a Lawful Good Paladin of Vengeance, for example.

No way is Batman lawful neutral. He breaks tons of laws all the time. I could see him more as Neutral Good. He wants things to be better for people, but if he needs to go outside the law to do it he does. Heck, being a vigilante is already outside the law as is.

 

[Sanglorian]

No way is Batman lawful neutral. He breaks tons of laws all the time. I could see him more as Neutral Good. He wants things to be better for people, but if he needs to go outside the law to do it he does. Heck, being a vigilante is already outside the law as is.

Alignment is so open to interpretation that you could definitely describe Batman as Neutral Good. But he also fits the definition of Lawful Good, at least the one provided in 3.5: it doesn't require obedience to the law of a particular country, but rather discipline, integrity, honour and compassion.

 

[variant]

No.