D&D 5E L&L November 4th Warlock Design

[Weather Report]

I think the whole class could be subsumed by the Mage and Cleric (they have patrons).

 

[MarkB]

I'm not enamored of the cries for a narrower, more focused class. I think at the level of focus that NEXT seems to be pegging for, a narrow class isn't a good thing. A class is a blurry, indistinct, mutable, suggestive general bucket, not a strict kind of character.

In all honesty I'm surprised and somewhat relieved that the Warlock made the cut as a full class at all. It could easily have ended up as a subclass of one of the spellcasting classes. Given how much emphasis WotC have generally been placing upon going back to D&D's older editions, it's a gratifying surprise that they're building upon such a relatively young class at all.

 

[Weather Report]

In all honesty I'm surprised and somewhat relieved that the Warlock made the cut as a full class at all. It could easily have ended up as a subclass of one of the spellcasting classes. Given how much emphasis WotC have generally been placing upon going back to D&D's older editions, it's a gratifying surprise that they're building upon such a relatively young class at all.

Yet they have no immediate plans for a psion-type, this class just smacks of trendy Twilight type deal.

 

[Savage Wombat]

Yet they have no immediate plans for a psion-type, this class just smacks of trendy Twilight type deal.

I think more they got a lot of poll results suggesting the need for an at-will caster to go with the others.

 

[am181d]

Yet they have no immediate plans for a psion-type, this class just smacks of trendy Twilight type deal.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Do you think that there's a horde of teenage girls itching to play Dungeons & Dragons if there's a warlock class? Because, you know, that would be extremely healthy for the industry.

 

[Mistwell]

Yet they have no immediate plans for a psion-type, this class just smacks of trendy Twilight type deal.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Yet they have no immediate plans for a psion-type, this class just smacks of trendy Twilight type deal.

So is "Twilight type deal" now the new term that's replaced "that's gay", "so emo" and "really hipster"

 

[Kobold Avenger]

While I think individually describing patrons would be too much for the core book and would be best described in some really broad terms, I think it would be interesting to see how other books might expand on the details of particular patrons.

 

[thewok]

So is "Twilight type deal" now the new term that's replaced "that's gay", "so emo" and "really hipster"

Yep. When you want to undermine something, you compare it to Twilight. The comparison really has no meaning, but it assigns the connotation that follows the franchise with a number of people. It's the fallback for people with no real intelligent point to make who just want to say something.

I'm not seeing any connection between Twilight and the warlock as described by Mearls. Or is it a kind of "Just as the vampires in Twilight aren't real vampires, so is the warlock not a real warlock" thing? That, of course, is ludicrous. The flavor very much speaks to the warlock of both editions in which it's appeared so far.

 

[steeldragons]

As I read it/took it to mean, it as simply a statement that warlocks are the "trendy" thing [in D&D] of the moment. So, of course, the design team/market people want to make sure to capitalize on it. Thus its inclusion [at all] and/or a separate class where it really isn't warranted. But, to ride on the "dark/gothy/trendy/oh-so-tortured-soul" wave of the moment [more specifically, "the current moment," as this kind of thing exists from generation to generation, practically on a decade by decade cycle]...along with things like shadar-kai, vampire and werewolf as a viable PCclass[?!]...heeeeere's Warlock!

Hence, the "trendy Twilight type deal." But I wouldn't want to put words in [MENTION=6722817]Weather Report[/MENTION] 's mouth.