Where is the National Guard?

[Istbor]

I get trying to find common ground, but I must be feeling argumentive today.

I'm not so sure they're stupid. Kind of like how I think Ted Cruz is an idiot, but in reality he's a Harvard educated smarter than average person who excels in debate.

These guys have some bad ideas that they believe in.

But their strategy is getting them attention as we argue about whether to call them Terrorists, because if they aren't, then they have been very smart to set themselves up to come just short of that to avoid a SWAT team and a trip to Gitmo.

Well we have a disconnect there. Idiots attend and graduate college all the time. Being able to afford and graduate even from an expensive school such as Harvard does not make you more intelligent. More educated and perhaps better equipped to succeed at whatever given field you had chosen.

However, to get back on topic, yes. I agree. At some level, there is some devious intelligence at work here. They have a goal and they are executing a plan to achieve it. It remains to be seen if it was a brilliant plan however. And that is dependent on what the actual goals of this stand-off are. IS it really in protest of the two poachers/arsonists who have already distanced themselves from this event, or was it simply for national attention to some cause, or ego?

They could be very well skirting a very thin line between criminal activity and terrorism. A pretty big price to pay. I do not think they will be getting away from this with a slap on the wrist.

 

[Kramodlog]

Betrayal! Alex Jones thinks the Bundys are idiots! http://gawker.com/even-alex-jade-helm-jones-thinks-the-oregon-militiame-1750972637

 

[Istbor]

So, to be clear, you believe that if unarmed law officiers come to arrest and handcuff them, the Bundys will cooperate and be non-violent?

Well, it isn't impossible that it could happen. Pretty unlikely though.

I would chuckle if they went out that quietly though, for all their bluster and posturing. Right now, the ball is in there court. They aren't harming anyone physically, so any violent or overly forceful measure to dig them out of there is only going to play to their hand.

Ending this quietly is one of the best ways this could end, without giving any credence to their ideology. I certainly like the thoughts of just encircling the building and starving them out. It would certainly fall under the idea of a modern siege:

Modern sieges are more commonly the result of smaller hostage, militant, or extreme resisting arrest situations.

I think we can chalk this under extreme resisting arrest situations, as force has been promised if force is used. Until they are willing to come out, any attempt to remove them will probably be considered a use of force.

 

[Sacrosanct]

The best phrase I've heard so far is, "Of course they are willing to die for their cause. They were promised 72 cousins in heaven."

 

[Kramodlog]

The best phrase I've heard so far is, "Of course they are willing to die for their cause. They were promised 72 cousins in heaven."

Yee Hawdists and Y'all Qaeda takes all their meaning here.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Man these people are idiots. Being rural militants and all that, I assumed they were preppers. They can't even militia right. Here's a photo of their supplies. They put a call out for more supplies to be sent to them. So really all the feds should do is prevent all traffic, shut down utilities, and wait them out.

 

[was]

The weather forecast for Burn's Oregon (Yahoo Weather)

Monday high 28 F low 22 F snow - 40%
Tuesday high 34 F low 16 F snow - 80%
Wednesday high 29 F low 17 F mostly cloudy
Thursday high 30 F low 13 F cloudy
Friday high 32 F low 12 F partly cloudy

...Turning off the electricity/heat should be effective. The cold tends to be very persuasive.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Is that a bag of dog food by the weights? These guys are set. They'll outlast the roaches after the nuclear apocalypse kills of the rest of humanity.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

The weather forecast for Burn's Oregon (Yahoo Weather)

Monday high 28 F low 22 F snow - 40%
Tuesday high 34 F low 16 F snow - 80%
Wednesday high 29 F low 17 F mostly cloudy
Thursday high 30 F low 13 F cloudy
Friday high 32 F low 12 F partly cloudy

...Turning off the electricity/heat should be effective. The cold tends to be very persuasive.

Yeah, but you know what'll end up happening if the evil government does that. Some idiot will try to start a fire in the building to warm everyone up, set the whole place on fire, kill everyone, and then some other backwater militia group is going to blame the government.

 

[Maxperson]

Terrorism is a violent means to a political end.

You can google it or go at your local library.

So you're arguing that there is no such thing is a Muslim terrorist. After all, it's all about religion and not politics for them. Nice!