D&D 5E Sorcerer/Warlord - Is 5E SRD The Solution or AL The Problem?

[ChrisCarlson]

Metamagic flexibility is overrated. It does create more power, but not more flexibility.

You may want to reconsider your definitions of "overrated", "power" and "flexibility". They certainly don't match mine.

No amount of metamagic will turn enhance ability into a familiar, or another dimension, or a safe refuge, or a summoned mount. No metamagic will turn mage hand into an unseen servant or floating disk. No metamagic can compensate the ill effects of friends, charm person or knock. Metamagic can't even turn a fireball into an Iceball.

Sounds like you just want to play a wizard. Cuz guess what? They don't have this metamagic thing you are poo-pooing, and they can have all those spells. Problem solved.

Oh and this power doesn't come free, because it comes at the expense of casting less times per day. 5e's metamagic is not the shadow of 3Es metamagic. And it doesn't really compensate for the limited spells known or the lack of variety in utility.

Are we supposed to be forgetting the Creating Spell Slots feature for this splinter of your complaint? Interesting. But since you seem so down on metamagic anyways, feel free to use those points for extra slots instead. 'Nother problem solved.

 

[MoonSong]

You may want to reconsider your definitions of "overrated", "power" and "flexibility". They certainly don't match mine.


Sounds like you just want to play a wizard. Cuz guess what? They don't have this metamagic thing you are poo-pooing, and they can have all those spells. Problem solved.


Are we supposed to be forgetting the Creating Spell Slots feature for this splinter of your complaint? Interesting. But since you seem so down on metamagic anyways, feel free to use those points for extra slots instead. 'Nother problem solved.

I don't know if you are being mean on purpose. But this post just proved me you are not bothering to read what I'm writing. (1 I just asked people to not tell me to play a wizard yet you do it, 2 You are telling me I ignored facts that I needed to make my point and that are all but implied there) Since you are not paying attention to me, I shouldn't pay it to you either. Goodbye and thanks for proving me right.

 

[MoonSong]

My group has a Merfolk Sorcerer (based on SCAG half-elf options) who can pick from plenty of Fire spells but has to fluff-up any Water spells. It's not crippling - I introduced her to IRL steam locomotive NKP 765 to describe what she might shoot across the room - but it is kind of silly that she can't just pour drum-fulls of water into a room.

It sucks isn't it? You might want to tell her about the Elemental Evil spells, there is a pair of good water spells in there. (And maybe convince the DM to let her have create water as a cantrip? If he/she could be nice enough?)

 

[Eltab]

And maybe convince the DM ... If he/she could be nice enough?

As it happens, IRL the Merfolk Sorcerer is the DM's girlfriend. I imagine she could be VERY persuasive if she put her mind to it...

 

[ChrisCarlson]

I don't know if you are being mean on purpose. But this post just proved me you are not bothering to read what I'm writing. (1 I just asked people to not tell me to play a wizard yet you do it, 2 You are telling me I ignored facts that I needed to make my point and that are all but implied there) Since you are not paying attention to me, I shouldn't pay it to you either. Goodbye and thanks for proving me right.

This is a pseudo-ad hominem tactic. Having no valid rebut, claim the other poster is just being a meanie and hope his arguments go away and no one notices.

I've read every word you've posted on this thread. (Is that you being mean by claiming I didn't?) Here's the thing. 1) If you don't want people to tell you to play a wizard, quit describing a wizard as your character goal. 2) If you are going to claim sorcerers get less spell slots, don't leave out the feature that gives them more (and more flexible!) spell slots. FYI, I wasn't implying anything. I'm flat out stating that you left out the specific class feature, that grants sorcerers more spell slots, so as to claim they get less spell slots.

BTW, "less spell slots" compared to whom? How are you coming to that conclusion? Is it wizards, because they get Arcane Recovery (also a class feature, not coincidentally)? Fascinating. Because otherwise, I just checked and their spell slot tables are identical for 1st through 9th level spells. Identical. Oh, another BTW, sorcerers get more cantrips than wizards. Just another FYI for ya. Cuz that's not nothin' neither.

 

[Ath'kethin]

The sorcerer is a message board problem.

That's the phrasing I was looking for. A "message board" problem. Distinct from an "only seems to happen at Zardnaar's table" problem, and both distinct from actual system problems.

 

[Eric V]

I don't know if you are being mean on purpose. But this post just proved me you are not bothering to read what I'm writing. (1 I just asked people to not tell me to play a wizard yet you do it, 2 You are telling me I ignored facts that I needed to make my point and that are all but implied there) Since you are not paying attention to me, I shouldn't pay it to you either. Goodbye and thanks for proving me right.

Don't bother with ChrisCarlson, MoonSong.

Seriously.

 

[MoonSong]

That's the phrasing I was looking for. A "message board" problem. Distinct from an "only seems to happen at Zardnaar's table" problem, and both distinct from actual system problems.

Ok, maybe not a system-wide problem, but can we agree this can be a real problem for certain players?

Don't bother with ChrisCarlson, MoonSong.

Seriously.

Yes, sorry for the drama.

 

[Ath'kethin]

Ok, maybe not a system-wide problem, but can we agree this can be a real problem for certain players?

I don't think anybody is making a case that every player/table functions the same, or that no player/group will encounter problems unique to them. I think the caustic responses tend to come from situations where someone takes a problem their specific table or situation is having and tries to extrapolate it into a system problem.

I may just be lucky. I remember people complaining about problems in 2e that were never issues at my table/group, and were never issues for anybody I met at the time. The same thing seems to be happening again now, and its amazing to me how badly some people seem to need problems to exist in the game.

I wouldn't try to argue that the game system - any system - is perfect. But I just don't seem to run into the kind of problems many people have, and from what I've seen here on the boards (and the WotC boards before them), I am not alone in that position.

 

[Umbran]

Yes, I should have noticed earlier, silly me. Thankfully that is what ignore lists are for...

So, is this a schoolyard? Do we flounce off in a huff, announcing, "I'm not listening to you anymore! LA!LA!LA!LA!"?

Or, are we mature adults, who realize that we should probably stop talking to someone, and quietly disengage and stop talking.

Making a big public deal of it is kind of insulting, especially when the real target of the statement obviously can't effectively respond to you, which turns this into a kind of parting shot. We ask that you keep it classy. When you find the need to make use of the Ignore List, we suggest you do so quietly.