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Unearthed Arcana New Unearthed Arcana: Psionics!

There’s a new Unearthed Arcana article out, and it’s all about psionics! "Their minds bristling with power, three new subclasses arrive in today’s Unearthed Arcana: the Psychic Warrior for the fighter, the Soulknife for the rogue, and the tradition of Psionics for the wizard."

There’s a new Unearthed Arcana article out, and it’s all about psionics! "Their minds bristling with power, three new subclasses arrive in today’s Unearthed Arcana: the Psychic Warrior for the fighter, the Soulknife for the rogue, and the tradition of Psionics for the wizard."

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In this 9-page PDF, there are also some new psionics-themed spells (including versions of classic psionic powers like id insinuation and ego whip) and two new feats.
 

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Eric V

Hero
Okay, fair enough. But I think you underestimate how big of a hit even one book that bombs would be.



Or, like, you could put those who you feel aren't arguing in good faith on ignore.

Or we could all keep discussing in a civil and respectful manner without trying to misrepresent what the others are saying- something I don't feel like I have seen in this thread, by the way. If people are misunderstanding you, it's possible that they are not reading you closely, but it's also possible that you're not expressing yourself clearly enough for them to take the meaning you intend as unambiguous away from your posts. I certainly got the impression you were promoting the idea of throwing the gates open to wilder/more creative/farther afield design choices/space henceforth. Since you're now clarifying that you're advocating for only a single product like this, cool- that helps to make your meaning more apparent. But I don't think it's fair to say that anyone who read otherwise from your posts is arguing in bad faith or trying to put words in your mouth.

By the way, who are you quoting above? Or are you... ahem... putting words in the collective mouths of the other side?

I quoted myself from post 440 and you from 466 (at least, those are the numbers as I see them).
 

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Chaosmancer

Legend
Think about it from a player's perspective, not a "could make sense in a way" one: who wants to play psionic characters? Exactly someone who wants the character to rely on the mind and not on material things.

So, I am a player as well as a DM. I actually got more excited about psionics involving a material focus and thinking about how that could be tied into a wizard style of casting (thinking about Jean Grey having her powers suppressed by Prof. X, do something similiar with a character who is using arcane castings as a buffer between them and their power, so they don't just fireball anything that makes them angry) than I ever did with it being "pure" psionics.

Making blanket statements about what all psionics players are going to want to play is going to leave you in a precarious position, because every player who likes the idea of a crystal focus or a childhood memento focus is going to chip away at your position.


"Psionic focus" was always considered a state of mind and not an object first of all due to freaking linguistics (this thing of calling an object a "focus" is an aberration of the game), and then due to the above: a psionic character is meant to be enjoyed by people who don't enjoy being dependent on objects, formulas, gestures, or anything related to magic.

And yet if you trace the linguistics back, the first usage of "focus" referred to a hearth, the gathering point for a family.

Yes, the word focus is most commonly used to refer to the mental point of focus or something being "in focus" instead of "blurry". But, the idea of an object being a focus, the central point of gathering power or light or attention or anything else, is not solely an abberation of the game but has strong roots in literature and media. Honestly, the closest we get to real-life psionic practice are the various types of meditative practices world-wide, and many of them include using objects like prayer beads to focus the mind.

I understand the concept of a character that does not rely on anything to use their power, but you are very unlikely to see that in an official context. Even the sorcerer had to have a special rule to allow them to forgo gestures and words, and they still need material components. The closest we have to a class that uses nothing is the Monk, and I doubt WoTC will give that to someone meant to be equivalent to a full caster.

This is why it's so insulting to me that first of all they try to do a Psionicist Wizard, and then they also make an object its main source of power, other than making the character do what a psionic one should do by default only by transforming into an incorporeal form at sixth level, and rigourously again showing this trinket as being central to this power. It's pathetically nonsensical.

You are angry and insulted, fine. But no one here insulted you by writing that idea. Honestly, like I said, I kind of like the imagery. It has a good theme to me, and for a wizard subclass it is decent. But, if you just don't like the theme, then say so. You don't need to start hurling insults around. We can talk about themes and tropes without devolving into screaming matches about whose ideas are good or not.
 

Ashrym

Legend
"Psionic focus" was always considered a state of mind and not an object first of all due to freaking linguistics (this thing of calling an object a "focus" is an aberration of the game), and then due to the above: a psionic character is meant to be enjoyed by people who don't enjoy being dependent on objects, formulas, gestures, or anything related to magic.

3e had psicrystals.

4e psions used orbs and staffs as implements. They even got ritual casting as a bonus feat.

Many tropes use a focus. The level of outrage seems unwarranted. Here are a few excerpts from 3e and 4e to given an idea on magic vs psionics. It's not necessarily direct to you specifically but relates to other comments in this and similar recent threads.

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Magic and psionics being different was the optional rule and not the standard rule. That's from 3e.

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That is also from 3e. Powers had the same manifestation times and effects. The difference was the lack of verbal and somatic components. They actually had other cues to the manifestion, which also carried into 4e.

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There was an expectation that some sort of effect was taking place while the psions were manifesting powers. It was not invisible as claimed unless DM's handwaved it. People could determine who was manifesting powers unless it was house-ruled against.

No one should get upset if WotC continues the type of thing with psionics that they had been doing already instead of whatever the table was allowing instead.

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Wizards and clerics studies psionics as a subset of the arcane and divine. That's part of D&D. There were psionic spells included with the psionic rules in 3e available to non-psionic classes as well.

Some of the comments I'm seeing seem to have been forgetting things that have been published in the past and substituted their own concepts. ;)

This is why it's so insulting to me that first of all they try to do a Psionicist Wizard, and then they also make an object its main source of power, other than making the character do what a psionic one should do by default only by transforming into an incorporeal form at sixth level, and rigourously again showing this trinket as being central to this power. It's pathetically nonsensical.

How is that an insult to you? Psionic magic was a thing for wizards and I am struggling to see how having psionic magic for wizards is an insult to anyone here.
 

Salthorae

Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
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Source: 2e Complete book of Psionics

I think most of the people who have issues aren't originally psionics from 3.x forward (is my guess). Those editions were very tied to foci and audible/visible displays of power, ectoplasm, etc.

2e and earlier OTOH was the opposite. As is most sci-fi psionic depictions.

There was no visible manifestation. Psionic combat took place on a "separate" plane from normal combat, not visible to anyone not involved, and the Psionicist needed nothing beyond themselves and a rested mind to have their powers.

It's evocative. It's also too powerful in the modern incarnation of the game. I'd argue it was too powerful back then too which is why most tables banned it or didn't give it the time of day.
 

Ashrym

Legend
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Source: 2e Complete book of Psionics

I think most of the people who have issues aren't originally psionics from 3.x forward (is my guess). Those editions were very tied to foci and audible/visible displays of power, ectoplasm, etc.

2e and earlier OTOH was the opposite. As is most sci-fi psionic depictions.

There was no visible manifestation. Psionic combat took place on a "separate" plane from normal combat, not visible to anyone not involved, and the Psionicist needed nothing beyond themselves and a rested mind to have their powers.

It's evocative. It's also too powerful in the modern incarnation of the game. I'd argue it was too powerful back then too which is why most tables banned it or didn't give it the time of day.

From second edition -- "The power check is fundamental to psionic combat. In general, no psionic power functions unless the character first makes a successful power check. (Chapter I explains how the check is made.) Modifiers apply for some powers. Furthermore, several powers require an additional power check before they’ll yield a specific result. Check the individual power descriptions in Chapters 3-8 for details."

If that's the version players are looking for they might want to be more specific. A system of powers based on checks might actually be interesting, but unlikely from WotC.
 



Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
3e and 4e made psionics into classes resembling other classes. 1e and 2e were kind of their own thing.
No 4e made classes sure but "resembling" is umm not so much they had points to allocate and track and many more at-will attacks and so on. Quite experimental.
 

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