The mandalorian [Spoilers]

[Maxperson]

Maybe the show is trying to say "he's a bad daddy"? but I really don't know. He just needs to put BY in a room with a lock on it.

Past bad into downright dumb. He's left them with bad guys in just about every episode since he took baby Yoda. Not only that, but for an experienced bounty hunter, he's trusted underworld people multiple times now, when he should have known better since before he became a bounty hunter.

 

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[CapnZapp]

No, I appear to want the lead character that it is supposed to be one of the best at his craft to, you know, show he could be. Your absoluteness on this topic is odd, frankly. that the only way to be this show, this genre, is to be exactly like it is.

I don't want every episode to revolve around Mando completely ignoring the fact that a ton of bounty hunters are on the hunt for baby Yoda and have a way to track it. This keeps popping up every episode. He either shows baby Yoda to people he can't trust, or leaves him alone when he knows he cannot leave him alone. That is poor writing. And it is starting to get on my nerves. It makes the main character look incompetent.

Past bad into downright dumb. He's left them with bad guys in just about every episode since he took baby Yoda. Not only that, but for an experienced bounty hunter, he's trusted underworld people multiple times now, when he should have known better since before he became a bounty hunter.

You guys really need to read (watch) up on your sparse, stark, minimal (mythological, episodic) Westerns. You come across as simply uninformed with your focus on realism-related issues in a show so very clearly inspired by tales not concerned about that.

I guess you could also simply leave the thread and accept the show isn't for you, but we all know that's not gonna happen

 

[CapnZapp]

I should add that I am hugely impressed by how Favreau managed to get a green light for such an uncompromising, outright bold, show.

It's using such old and forgotten storytelling techniques it comes across as new and fresh (and, apparently, to some, baffling).

Who knew Happy Hogan had it in him? Then again, if he can nab Marisa Tomei, he was clearly underestimated.

 

[Imaculata]

You guys really need to read (watch) up on your sparse, stark, minimal (mythological, episodic) Westerns. You come across as simply uninformed with your focus on realism-related issues in a show so very clearly inspired by tales not concerned about that.

This has nothing to do with realism or the genre the show is aiming for. It has everything to do with screenwriting. If we as an audience are to believe he is a competent ruthless bountyhunter, then he should act competent and ruthless. The first scene of the first episode did that, but then it quickly went downhill.

For comparison, Clint Eastwood's character "Blondie" in the Good the Bad and the Ugly, never trusted Tuco. They worked together, but Blondie knew that Tuco would eventually betray him and was ready for when that happened. He never forgot what kind of world he was in and what sort of characters he was dealing with.

Just because the show is inspired by old westerns, is no excuse for poor writing. There are plenty of classic westerns that were well written. Heck, Firefly is a western, and had much better plotting and writing than the Mandalorian. For a good comparison watch the Firefly episode "Trash". It is also a story of working together with an untrustworthy character, and dealing with the inevitable betrayal.

 

[CapnZapp]

So you're telling us that the show is inspired by bad writing? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

This has nothing to do with realism or the genre the show is aiming for. It has everything to do with screenwriting. If we as an audience are to believe he is a competent ruthless bountyhunter, then he should act competent and ruthless. The first scene of the first episode did that, but then it quickly went downhill.

For comparison, Clint Eastwood's character "Blondie" in the Good the Bad and the Ugly, never trusty Tuco. They worked together, but Blondie knew that Tuco would eventually betray him and was ready for when that happened. He never forgot what kind of world he was in and what sort of characters he was dealing with.

Please don't move the goal posts.

The complaint was "Baby Yoda falls into the story each episode". I'm saying you need to accept this as the premise, and stop getting annoyed it keeps happening. It will keep happening, trust me.

But yes. Those stark westerns sometimes used outright hokey setups. And I don't just mean movies. Look at old black-and-white Western shows and you'll find that you will enjoy The Mandalorian much more if you just take certain things for granted.

Tl;dr: overanalyzing this show will get you absolutely nowhere. It is clearly not that kind of show.

 

[Imaculata]

Please don't move the goal posts.

The complaint was "Baby Yoda falls into the story each episode". I'm saying you need to accept this as the premise, and stop getting annoyed it keeps happening. It will keep happening, trust me.

The goalposts have not been moved. You misunderstood what I said earlier, some how.

What you state here never was my complaint at all. My complaint was that each episode the Mandalorian conveniently forgets that Baby Yoda is the most wanted creature in the galaxy, and shows him to untrustworthy folk or leaves him somewhere where he is obviously is not safe. It is a lazy plot device to get him into trouble. By now he should know that:

A: He can't show Baby Yoda to anyone
B: He can't leave Baby Yoda anywhere
C: Every bounty hunter in the galaxy is looking for Baby Yoda
D: Baby Yoda will wander off on its own, if unsupervised for but a second.

But yes. Those stark westerns sometimes used outright hokey setups. And I don't just mean movies. Look at old black-and-white Western shows and you'll find that you will enjoy The Mandalorian much more if you just take certain things for granted.

Then perhaps we didn't watch the same westerns. Either way, I don't see why that would be an excuse for bad writing.

 

[CapnZapp]

A: He can't show Baby Yoda to anyone
B: He can't leave Baby Yoda anywhere
C: Every bounty hunter in the galaxy is looking for Baby Yoda
D: Baby Yoda will wander off on its own, if unsupervised for but a second.

You really haven't understood the show at all, have you?

I really can't be bothered to spend more time if you so clearly refuse to accept the show for what it is. A and B and C and D will keep happening because that's what the show is. You come across as someone who would want to like Star Trek, except maybe not have the ship go off all by itself vulnerable and all. Maybe the Enterprise could be escorted by a dozen support ships to avoid ambushes, like a "realistic" space navy? And of course the Captain would never leave the ship on away missions, right?

I really have no other suggestion than maybe not watch anymore? Have a nice day.

 

[Morrus]

@CapnZapp, you are being a jerk again. Knock it off.

 

[Ovinomancer]

The goalposts have not been moved. You misunderstood what I said earlier, some how.

What you state here never was my complaint at all. My complaint was that each episode the Mandalorian conveniently forgets that Baby Yoda is the most wanted creature in the galaxy, and shows him to untrustworthy folk or leaves him somewhere where he is obviously is not safe. It is a lazy plot device to get him into trouble. By now he should know that:

A: He can't show Baby Yoda to anyone
B: He can't leave Baby Yoda anywhere
C: Every bounty hunter in the galaxy is looking for Baby Yoda
D: Baby Yoda will wander off on its own, if unsupervised for but a second.

Then perhaps we didn't watch the same westerns. Either way, I don't see why that would be an excuse for bad writing.

Interesting. What stories would you tell given your above requirements? Especially if you have a barely holding together ship, no safe harbor, no money, and no allies tgat can assist. How does one manage to adhere to your strict rules yet survive and still have an engaging tale?

When you play RPGs, do you follow your own rules?