D&D 5E Greyhawk, and race options for Oerth PCs

So, what is the better path? To usher in this setting into the new 5E age by adapting these changes? Or is it better to maintain the old paradigm, and block these options?
This... isn't really something the rest of us can answer. What do you and your players want? Tieflings yes, tieflings no, dragonborn yes, dragonborn no? That seems to be the only real issue here... GH has a long history of having gnomes and half-orcs, so those shouldn't be a problem. Want to include tieflings? Pretty easy... according to the PHB, they are of devilish origin, and hey, GH has/had a place dedicated to devil worship, the Horned Society. Tieflings could be a recently appearing result of that. Dragonborn aren't quite so easy, but not hard to include either... say they recently appeared in the Flanaess from the mysterious western part of the continent (which hasn't really been detailed ever). Don't want to include either of them? Easy too, just don't.
 

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Urriak Uruk

Gaming is fun, and fun is for everyone
This... isn't really something the rest of us can answer. What do you and your players want? Tieflings yes, tieflings no, dragonborn yes, dragonborn no? That seems to be the only real issue here... GH has a long history of having gnomes and half-orcs, so those shouldn't be a problem. Want to include tieflings? Pretty easy... according to the PHB, they are of devilish origin, and hey, GH has/had a place dedicated to devil worship, the Horned Society. Tieflings could be a recently appearing result of that. Dragonborn aren't quite so easy, but not hard to include either... say they recently appeared in the Flanaess from the mysterious western part of the continent (which hasn't really been detailed ever). Don't want to include either of them? Easy too, just don't.

I suppose it's more of a question, of if Greyhawk is ever published for 5E as it's own setting book, what path should it take?
 

I suppose it's more of a question, of if Greyhawk is ever published for 5E as it's own setting book, what path should it take?
it has sorta been answered already. As someone noted earlier, GoS has a tiefling NPC and dragonborn PCs are in the artwork. But if wanted, both can be excluded without any real hassle...
 

Zardnaar

Legend
it has sorta been answered already. As someone noted earlier, GoS has a tiefling NPC and dragonborn PCs are in the artwork. But if wanted, both can be excluded without any real hassle...

Doesn't mean you can play one, I don't think to many people are arguing they don't exist.
. Only 4 races are core it's still ask your DM.

Tieflings and Drow maybe. Tieflings make sense in terms of existing PC race maybe it's a bad idea to play one IMHO.
 

Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
A lot depends on how Grey you want your Hawk I guess. Hard core fans would probably favor running it oldschool because that's how is should be done dammit (a fine option) while a a group new to the setting might not care a fig for how it used to be in the olden dinosaur days and will run a more standard set of races out. Both are perfectly acceptable. My personal preference is to find the ways the GH is unique and push that angle, but it's not the only way to play it.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
An excellent point. For those who don't know it by heart;

Dragonborn. It's easy to assume that a dragon born is a monster, especially if his or her scales betray a chromatic heritage. Unless the dragon born starts breathing fire and causing destruction, though, people are likely to respond with caution rather than outright fear.

Gnome. Gnomes don't look like a threat and can quickly disarm suspicion with good humor. The common folk are often curious about gnomes, likely never having seen one before, but they are rarely hostile or fearful.

Half-Elf. Although many people have never seen a half-elf, virtually everyone knows they exist. A half-elf stranger's arrival is fol lowed by gossip behind the half-elf's back and stolen glances across the common room, rather than any confrontation or open curiosity.

Half-Orc. It's usually safe to assume that a half-orc is belligerent and quick to anger, so people watch themselves around an unfamiliar half-ore. Shopkeepers might surreptitiously hide valuable or fragile goods when a half-orc comes in, and people slowly clear out of a tavern, assuming a fight will break out soon.

Tiefling. Half-orcs are greeted with a practical caution, but tieflings are the subject of supernatural fear. The evil of their heritage is plainly visible in their features, and as far as most people are concerned, a tiefling could very well be a devil straight from the Nine Hells. People might make warding signs as a tiefling approaches, cross the street to avoid passing near, or bar shop doors before a tiefling can enter.
Would/Should the 6 human races be mechanically different from each other, or would they all use the basic PHB Human?

All use phb humans. That's a quagmire/not needed.
 

I'm guessing if there is an official 5E book they will call out these races as being DM's discretion. It is easy enough to justify them if you want them in your game, but I can't imagine they would, say, have a dragonborn kingdom from another dimension just show up overnight. That nonsense might fly in FR but if they tried to pull it in GH us grognards would aspirate our neckbeards.
it has sorta been answered already. As someone noted earlier, GoS has a tiefling NPC and dragonborn PCs are in the artwork. But if wanted, both can be excluded without any real hassle...

You can tell its a PC just from the artwork?
 


HarbingerX

Rob Of The North
Seems my thinking is the same as others have posted. I'd let the players know that the setting is very human-centric and Dwarves, Elves and other demi-humans are seen as oddities outside of places like Ulek, Celene and other isolated pockets. Tieflings come from Iuz and are definitely viewed with suspicion and not welcome - hell, they look like Graz'zt! Same deal with Drow. As for Dragonborn, they'd be an explorer from a far distant land; perhaps south of the steaming jungles, from the other side of the sea of dust, or from across the great ocean. People would perhaps mistake them as the remored Yuan-ti, since they both look like reptile people.

I'd have to think hard if one of my players came to me wanting to play one of those races in Greyhawk. I've had a tiefling in a 4e campaign, but that was homebrew and, well, 4e.

I'll admit to a certain bias as well against the type of character players want to play when they say they want to be a tiefling. It winds up being a lot like someone wanting to play a 'neutral' rogue who really just wants to be a jerk to the rest of his party because the player finds it fun to have secrets and mess with them.

Edit: One other fun one could be the Dragonborn have emerged from the Valley of the Mage due to some foul experiments.
 

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