D&D and the rising pandemic

[abirdcall]

For the most part - internally the U.S. doesn't function as one nation nor as separate countries that can close their borders. Our political makeup will make social distancing on the national scale nearly impossible. In areas it isn't bad in yet - they will be lax on it. In areas it's hard hit they will go more extreme. The problem is without us working in unison this is going to be one very prolonged battle where we constantly export the virus back to places that recovered from it. So on some level maybe he's right that the best option for the U.S. may be to just tough it out because the will isn't there for all states and counties and cities to work together and all make the necessary sacrifices on this.

It's almost as if we are in a real life prisoner's dilemma and aren't sticking to the smart play.

I think Canada is proof that a disparate nation can come together. The Canadian provinces do not like each other and the nation is barely held together. Yet on this issue, Canada is united. Not just in political parties but from province to province too.

I prefer the trolley problem:

Spoiler

 

[Zardnaar]

We are on pace to be at 1.2 million cases within at least 12 days, maybe 8 days. (I don't think we can test that many).

In 2-3 weeks we are on pace for 10 million cases. Assuming the 3% mortality rate estimate - that's 300,000 dead.

My personal number is lower but my guesstimate was 9/11 numbers every 1-3 days. For several weeks.

Vietnam war levels in a few weeks not over 10 years in the American heartland.

 

[abirdcall]

 

[FrogReaver]

My personal number is lower but my guesstimate was 9/11 numbers every 1-3 days. For several weeks.

Vietnam war levels in a few weeks not over 10 years in the American heartland.

i no longer believe that we have the willpower to do what needs done to significantly slow the spread. So far the case increases are backing that up.

 

[Zardnaar]

i no longer believe that we have the willpower to do what needs done to significantly slow the spread. So far the case increases are backing that up.

I got yelled at on another forum when I pointed this out.

May have been a bit blunt bit there's 5 Anglo Saxon nation's, 1 is screwed, 1 might come through reasonably ok the other 3 are somewhere in the middle but I'm leaning towards slightly less screwed.

I have hopes for Canada, the other 3 see what happens.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Canada has 4 000 cases and 39 deaths.

That is 107 cases per million and 1 death per million population.

And all of our politicians are united together among all levels of government with our doctors that this is very serious. Every address they make is serious and they constantly implore people to not leave their houses. Various levels of enforcement have now been authorized to that end and I believe they will become more heavily enforced as some people continue to flaunt the mandate to stay home.

I imagine this is probably how it is being handled in most other countries. Then we have America. I've watched a couple press conferences lately. Trump and his team talk as though they are through the worst part, they have treatments and cures on the way, and have all the medical equipment they need. They want to lift the lockdowns April 12th.

They currently have 259 cases per million and 4 deaths per million population. 1 in 500 people in New York state has a confirmed case of COVID 19.

The USA is going to be hit hardest because of their weak mandate to social distancing.

That hurts Canada too because Canadians watch a lot of American politics, so they're going to be hearing that it isn't a big deal. Journalists have asked our politicians (I believe it was the Deputy Prime Minister) about American's strategy and how she felt about it and her response was "we are choosing to follow the science". That was the most diplomatic way she could think of to respond.

Canadians, listen to an American: don’t listen to Americans!

 

[Zardnaar]

Canadians, listen to an American: don’t listen to Americans!

I've linked some American friends to NZ health guidelines and what to do.

One lived in Colorado, she read Reuters and BBC. She didn't know about Italy. Asked her how blunt do you want me to be? Blunt was her response.

 

[Ogre Mage]

Then we have America. I've watched a couple press conferences lately. Trump and his team talk as though they are through the worst part, they have treatments and cures on the way, and have all the medical equipment they need. They want to lift the lockdowns April 12th.

They currently have 259 cases per million and 4 deaths per million population. 1 in 500 people in New York state has a confirmed case of COVID 19.

The USA is going to be hit hardest because of their weak mandate to social distancing.

Our federal leadership is anti-science and completely incompetent.

I live in Washington State where the initial U.S. outbreak happened. Knock on wood, it looks like things here are improving.

KIRKLAND, Wash. —The suburban hospital that handled the first onslaught of coronavirus patients weeks ago — a crush of seriously ill and dying nursing home residents that signaled the beginning of the national health crisis — is now offering cautious optimism to people across the United States who are searching for an end to the springtime nightmare: They believe they might have flattened the curve here.

In Kirkland, Washington the coronavirus outbreak appears to be leveling off

 

[Hussar]

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Between 15-20% of the people that get sick will need hospitalization. Hospitalization increases your chance of survival 10 fold. Add in all the unknowns like 50% of the people in Iceland (where they have done extensive testing) that have antibodies for the virus show no symptoms whatsoever and we don't know if people are immune after recovery.

Where did that 15-20% number come from? That seem unbelievably high. Considering the Chinese had 80k cases and certainly didn't hospitalize nearly 20000 people.

 

[Zardnaar]

Where did that 15-20% number come from? That seem unbelievably high. Considering the Chinese had 80k cases and certainly didn't hospitalize nearly 20000 people.

Chinese numbers are suspect.

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