D&D and the rising pandemic

[tomBitonti]

Well, @tomBitonti, it's not really a tech issue but a social one. How many rights are you willing to give up? Because, that's what it comes down to. You're saying that we should lowjack the entire population, allowing the government to track your movement 24/7. While the idea and the motive behind it might be pure, the invasion of privacy to that degree will never pass the bar.

Myself, for the last month I’ve been shuttling between homes (both empty except for myself), and made occasional excursions for groceries, cleaning supplies, or take out. Likely more of the same for the next month at least.
But I can see some folks being unwilling to be tracked.
There are communities which could be tracked. Could soldiers, say, such as ones on a large ship, or confined to base, be ordered into such a program?
The testing part seems minimally invasive and seems orderable. The problem there seems to be limiting what is done wit’s samples — for example, they could be split and diverted to build a genetic profile database. I can see a program which was setup for only virus tracking being hijacked.
Be safe, be well,
Tom Bitonti

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I don’t think you could pass a tracking program in the USA and have it survive a Constitutional challenge without an actual amendment.

 

[FrogReaver]

Well, @tomBitonti, it's not really a tech issue but a social one. How many rights are you willing to give up? Because, that's what it comes down to. You're saying that we should lowjack the entire population, allowing the government to track your movement 24/7. While the idea and the motive behind it might be pure, the invasion of privacy to that degree will never pass the bar.

I don't get the privacy concerns provided:
1. I can opt into and out of it at any time
2. I can turn off/delete the app at any time

 

[FrogReaver]

I'm not sure that's right. The point is that very few people later get retested after recovery. So, to get 91 is probably a disturbingly large number of the retests...

A disturbingly large number of the retests out of a disturbingly low proportion of all recovered cases... It's just as likely to be a unique non-reproducible result as something that can be generalized.

 

[Eltab]

Which is perplexing. I‘d want to select several populations of statistically significant sizes and give them all tests on a regular basis. That seems to be the only way to measure true Infection rates and true symptom distributions. I’d also want the entire population to wear location and proximity sensors during the testing period. All of this should be within the means of several countries, and doable with current technology.

Be safe, be well,
Tom Bitonti

Do you mean the entire population of those in the study or the entire population of the nation to be wearing trackers?
I can get behind the former but not the latter.

 

[Zardnaar]

I don’t think you could pass a tracking program in the USA and have it survive a Constitutional challenge without an actual amendment.

Constitutional Monarchy here. God save the Queen.

When I was younger I was a Republican (not GoP, as in we become republic).

Lean more towards if it's not broken don't fix it.

 

[Imaculata]

20 people in a room singing and flinging vocal spray at each other is not the same as a lonely ride in a truck to Home Despot, a quiet walk down the aisles to get a rug and boxed grill to a checkout counter with a plexiglass barrier and a zap gun to read the bar-code.

You are wrong. These people were in a crowded store waiting in line, to a check out counter with no plexiglass where a girl behind a counter touches their products with her bare hands.

But even if any of the security measures you mention were in place, it would still be a terrible idea. People should be staying at home as much as possible, and not be going out and gathering in busy stores to get something completely unimportant. They should not be carrying on with their lives as if there is not a deadly epidemic going around. All those plans for barbeques and home improvement, they can wait. They do not need to do them during a time of crisis. These people are as stupid as those that go to a church or a convention right now. I live in the epicenter of the outbreak, and these people are helping the virus spread further.

People should be staying at home as much as possible, and only be going out to get groceries and other essential supplies. Any visit to a store is a risk. So people should be limiting that as much as possible.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Even though our local groceries have been pretty good at maintaining law, order & social distancing, I’ll tell you I know I’m NOT shopping the same way I would normally.

Under normal circumstances, it wouldn’t be unusual for me to hit 2-4 groceries in a 3 county area over 48 hours to get the particular ingredients I want. And if I started cooking something, and ran out of something, I’d think nothing of turning the he down and running to one of my closer stores. Ditto a craving.

Today? 1-2 stops, max. If I have a gap in my recipe, I make do without. Cravings have to wait until the next shopping day.

Part of that is just simply minimizing my personal exposure. However, since Dr. Dad is now insisting I wear a mask when I hit the grocery, I also have to carefully ration our supply of masks. And- if you haven’t experienced it- physical exertion wearing one of those masks is more draining. You‘re warmer, your glasses may fog, you probably inhale just a little bit more CO2 than normal.

 

[Zardnaar]

Even though our local groceries have been pretty good at maintaining law, order & social distancing, I’ll tell you I know I’m NOT shopping the same way I would normally.

Under normal circumstances, it wouldn’t be unusual for me to hit 2-4 groceries in a 3 county area over 48 hours to get the particular ingredients I want. And if I started cooking something, and ran out of something, I’d think nothing of turning the he down and running to one of my closer stores. Ditto a craving.

Today? 1-2 stops, max. If I have a gap in my recipe, I make do without. Cravings have to wait until the next shopping day.

I stopped caring about brands and specific ingredients ages ago.

Been sticking up since early March just buy stuff no one else wants.

40c can of spaghetti instead of preferred brand buy it. Canned chick peas. Buy it.

Living on rice, pasta, cereal for a month. So be it.

Produce here and Florida is being dumped. Not worried about starving but wouldn't be surprised if certain things get scarce.

Moscow seems to be turning into NYC.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I stopped caring about brands and specific ingredients ages ago.

I haven’t really been a brand stickler since this started, but sometimes...

I managed to score some dry red beans for the first time this year. Mom said, “Great! Are they Camillias?” I gave her a rather dry expression in response.

OTOH, when Campari tomatoes reappeared at the grocery for the first time in weeks, I bought an extra container.

But stuff like Mom’s favorite pickled turnips? No, not driving across town to buy those, sorry. Maybe in August.