Unearthed Arcana Why UA Psionics are never going to work in 5e.

[Maxperson]

Why pick on the disconnect regarding magic?
A wizard learning the hundreds of weapon techniques that a 1st level fighter has spent years training themselves to perform? A warlock spends a few hours contemplating their navel and achieves a mastery of ki that many who have spent their lives meditating in a monastery never reach?

Why does it take a person years to learn a trade, a PC a few months some of the time, and overnight at other times?
There are disconnects in D&D.

Yep. Those are all disconnects and my biggest issue with multiclassing.

 

[Maxperson]

Why pick on the disconnect regarding magic?

Context. Wizardry is what is being discussed here.

A wizard learning the hundreds of weapon techniques that a 1st level fighter has spent years training themselves to perform?

This is what the PHB has to say about the fighter.

"Fighters learn the basics of all combat styles. Every fighter can swing an axe, fence with a rapier, wield a longsword or a greatsword, use a bow, and even trap foes in a net with some degree of skill. Likewise, a fighter is adept with shields and every form of armor."

That doesn't take years to learn. It's not all that hard to become a fighter, which is why Timmy on the Farm can pick up a pitchfork after his family is killed by orcs and go be a fighter really easily.

A warlock spends a few hours contemplating their navel and achieves a mastery of ki that many who have spent their lives meditating in a monastery never reach?

This is another disconnect, yes.

 

[Guest 6801328]

I wish you the best of luck, @Cap'n Kobold. But that way lies madness.

 

[Aldarc]

So explain how without some sort of limitation and far more than enough time for the world to end up with spellcasters as common as Eberron, that the settings don't end up like Eberron.

Aren't we talking about settings that have catastrophic upheavals in the world every second Tuesday? Ancient, fallen empires of sorcery aren't exactly an uncommon trope for nothing.

Oh, and don't tell me to "chill out." I'm not upset.

You don't have to be upset to still lack chill.

 

[Maxperson]

Aren't we talking about settings that have catastrophic upheavals in the world every second Tuesday? Ancient, fallen empires of sorcery aren't exactly an uncommon trope for nothing.

Great point. We know that it takes far less time than I was giving it in order for magic to be common or there wouldn't be ancient fallen empires of sorcery. That makes what I'm saying even more likely to be true.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I don't care how special a PC is. If something that should take years of learning to accomplish can be done by a PC in literally 1 day without any prior preparation at all, it creates a very large disconnect.

It can't.

Multiclassing is an OPTIONAL rule, so it can only happen if the DM specifically allows it.

If you notice, wizards have a higher starting age than an average character - this is to represent the years spent studying.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I don't care how special a PC is. If something that should take years of learning to accomplish can be done by a PC in literally 1 day without any prior preparation at all, it creates a very large disconnect.

Welcome to DnD.

Have you ever tried HEMA? Historical European Martial Arts. They do a lot of weapon skills, like learning how to use swords, polearms, bows, ect. Did you know that every single weapon requires a different style of fighting, different considerations, and tons of muscle memory to use effectively?

Did you know that taking a single level of Fighter teaches you all of it instantly?

I would argue that there are very few people with the breadth of knowledge that a first level fighter shows in weapons. I mean, they have substantial knowledge in every field of weaponcraft.

What limiter do we have for fighters anyways? Why doens't everyone master every weapon in the game?

This is what the PHB has to say about the fighter.

"Fighters learn the basics of all combat styles. Every fighter can swing an axe, fence with a rapier, wield a longsword or a greatsword, use a bow, and even trap foes in a net with some degree of skill. Likewise, a fighter is adept with shields and every form of armor."

That doesn't take years to learn. It's not all that hard to become a fighter, which is why Timmy on the Farm can pick up a pitchfork after his family is killed by orcs and go be a fighter really easily.

Ok

BS, big honking BS

Basics of all combat styles is simple? Dude, let me educate you just a little bit

Spoiler: A list

• Bojutsu – Bojutsu is a martial arts style focused on the long staff (i.e. Bo).
• Canne de Combat – Canne de Combat is a French martial arts that focuses on a sports version of cane fighting.
• Eskrima – Philippine martial arts focused on stick fighting. This Filipino martial arts is also known as Arnis and Kali.
• Fencing – Fencing today is mainly an Olympic-style sport. However, there is a sub-style called historical fencing which focuses on fencing as a martial arts.
• Gatka – Gatka is an Indian martial arts focused on weapons, especially swords.
• Gungsol is a Korean martial arts focused on archery.
• Haidong Gumdo – Haidong Gumdo is a Korean martial arts focused on sword techniques. It contains elements similar to Kenjutsu and Iaido.
• Hanbojutsu – This Japanese martial arts focuses on the Hanbo (a 3 foot wooden staff).
• HEMA – Historical European Martial Arts – HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) refers to mainly sword-based martial arts based on techniques used in Europe from around the 1300s to the 1800s.
• Iaido – Iaido is a Japanese martial arts focused on the drawing of a sword (bokken, iaito or shinken) from its scabbard. This martial arts relies heavily on katas (forms) and does not utilize sparring.
• Iaijutsu – Iaijutsu is the combat version of Iaido.
• Itto-Ryu – Itto-Ryu is a Japanese martial arts focused on the sword. There are many sub-styles of Itto-Ryu and this martial arts had significant influence on the development of modern Kendo.
• Jojutsu – Jojutsu is a Okinawan/Japanese martial arts focused on the shorter Jo staff.
• Jukendo – Jukendo is a Japanese martial arts focused on the bayonet.
• Keijojutsu – Keijojutsu is a Japanese martial arts focused on police stick fighting (batons).
• Kendo – Kendo is a Japanese martial arts style focused on sword fighting (i.e. Bokken and Katana).
• Kenjutsu – Kenjutsu is a Japanese martial arts style focused on sword techniques. In contrast to Kendo, Kenjutsu is less focused on sparring.
• Kobudo – A Japanese (Okinawan) martial arts focused on weapons training. Weapons used include the bo staff, sai, tonfa and nunchaku.
• Krabi-Krabong is a weapon-based martial arts from Thailand. The primary weapons used in this martial arts are the sword (krabi) and staff (krabong).
• Kumdo – Kumdo is a Korean sword-based martial arts which is similar to Kendo.
• Kyudo – Kyudo is a Japanese martial arts style focused on archery.
• Mau Rakau – Mau Rakau is a weapons-based martial arts developed by the Maori of New Zealand.
• Naginatajutsu – Naginatajutsu is a Japanese martial arts style focused on the long pole weapon known as the Naginata.
• Nunchaku Do – Nunchaku Do is a martial arts focused on the sports usage of the Nunchaku (Nunchucks).
• Shintaido – Shintaido is a hybrid martial arts that combines Karate, Kenjutsu and Bojutsu with spiritual and mediation elements.
• Silambam – Silambam is an Indian martial arts focused primarily on staff fighting.
• Siljun Dobup is a sword-based martial arts based on a fusion of Japanese and Korean traditions.
• Singlestick – Singlestick is an ancient English martial arts. Students use a wooden rod with basket handle in order to practice sword fighting techniques.
• Sojutsu is a Japanese martial arts that focuses on spear fighting. This martial arts is also known as Yari Jutsu.
• Tahtib – Tahtib is an Egyptian martial arts focused on stick fighting. Students generally train with a 4 foot wooden stick.
• Taiho Jutsu – Taiho Jutsu is a Japanese martial arts that was originally designed to help feudal police arrest armed criminals.
• Tessenjutsu – Tessenjutsu is a Japanese martial arts based on the use of Tessen (war fans).
• Yabusame – Yabusame is a Japanese martial arts focused on archery while mounted on horseback.
• Yamanni-Ryu – Yamanni-Ryu is a Japanese martial arts that focuses on training with Okinawan weapons (Kobudo).
• Zulu Stick Fighting – Zulu stick fighting (or Nguni stick fighting) is a South African weapon-based martial arts. This martial arts uses one stick for attack and one stick for defense. Some forms of this martial arts also use a shield for defense.

And as you can tell this list is primarily Eastern martial arts, not to mention that under the HEMA category you have French styles of the all the weapons, German styles, British Styles, then you have things developed for naval vessels, Roman styles, Egyptian Styles, Arabic Styles,

You actually can't find a definitive list of all styles, but it would likely be near a thousand different martial arts. For context? Superheroes like Batman or Captain America know between 50 and 125 martial arts.

And this is not covering any shields (all of which have different uses and would require alternate weapon styles) and armor.

Timmy the Farmer with his pitchfork has a few decades of learning before he would actually have the skills of a level 1 fighter.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Great point. We know that it takes far less time than I was giving it in order for magic to be common or there wouldn't be ancient fallen empires of sorcery. That makes what I'm saying even more likely to be true.

Ah yes, because we all know that when the great and powerful ruling class are well-educated and living in excess that naturally that trickles down to the common man, allowing them to live in similar luxury, right?

Why do you think it was so easy for that knowledge to be lost if everyone knew it?

 

[Maxperson]

You actually can't find a definitive list of all styles, but it would likely be near a thousand different martial arts.

Why would you need to? In 5e the combat styles are Archery, Defense, Dueling, Great Weapon Fighting, Protection and Two-Weapon Fighting. That's it.

 

[Aldarc]

Why do you think it was so easy for that knowledge to be lost if everyone knew it?