Falcon and winter solider

[doctorbadwolf]

I wonder if any of the applicants were named "Shaniqua"?

I honestly doubt they'd even get an interview.

automatically? Perhaps not. But when Jodie Whittaker got the role of the Dr., there was a pretty big backlash among male viewers who were upset. The same male viewers who filled up the interwebs with joy that the ratings dropped as punishment for hiring a woman in a man's traditional role*. Celebrating how "we" sent a message to the woke folks that "go woke, go broke".**

So they aren't really off base all that much, and it's a pretty safe bet, even if there are exceptions.


*That completely ignored how the rating fell with Peter Capaldi, not Josie, but accuracy doesn't really stop jerks from being jerks.

** another very common phrase that also isn't true, but doesn't stop people from using it.

Doctor Who's ratings also rose with Whittaker from a dire low with Capaldi (though I think it wasn't so much him as people tired of Moffat's writing), her premiere was the biggest Doctor premiere of the revival series, and her average viewership is the best of the entire revival series, with only Tennant really challenging her.

Nearly always, these "we" narratives are full of nonsense.

It's hardly a surprise that the people who buy into them also don't see the bank scene as depicting racism.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I honestly doubt they'd even get an interview.

Doctor Who's ratings also rose with Whittaker from a dire low with Capaldi (though I think it wasn't so much him as people tired of Moffat's writing), her premiere was the biggest Doctor premiere of the revival series, and her average viewership is the best of the entire revival series, with only Tennant really challenging her.

Nearly always, these "we" narratives are full of nonsense.

It's hardly a surprise that the people who buy into them also don't see the bank scene as depicting racism.

Yes, the ratings dropped very badly with Wittaker. But if you look at the ratings history, that was hardly assured to be because they cast a woman as the doctor. Same thing happened with Eccleston and to lesser extent Capaldi. Since the ratings spiked when Whittaker took over, it's more likely the ratings were due to other issues.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Like I said if I need to be educated I have world leaders schools and 24/7news



if these messages were wanted well then ratings would soar

if everyone wanted cop bashing then oscars ratings should improve

The oscars that were widely accused of racism last year, and which have tried desperately to fix that image via nominations this year but didn't actually address the issue?

Yeah, definitely lower ratings because of the "cop bashing".

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yes, the ratings dropped very badly with Wittaker. But if you look at the ratings history, that was hardly assured to be because they cast a woman as the doctor. Same thing happened with Eccleston and to lesser extent Capaldi.

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The ratings only dropped from her premiere. Her average ratings over the season were higher than anyone but (IIRC) Tennant, which was also critically the best set of seasons of the revival show.

The idea that the show is in trouble because the "went woke" or whatever is just nonsense, the show isn't even in trouble. It's doing what it has always done. The next doctor will do the same.

 

[Maxperson]

The oscars that were widely accused of racism last year, and which have tried desperately to fix that image via nominations this year but didn't actually address the issue?

The Oscars have had abysmal ratings for years. Last year wasn't really much of an anomaly.

When I watch the Oscars, I want to see the best Actor/Actress thank their producer, director, acting coach, dog, cat, armadillo and mother. I don't want to see them talk about their pet political stance of the year. That goes for both stances I agree with and stances I disagree with. Which is why I haven't watched in 20ish years.

 

[MoonSong]

I might be the guy on the banking argument- you do realize if falcon looks like Steve rogers hes still not getting the loan
he has no assets, no money, probably not great credit (no credit is bad credit) etc.

Granted, even somebody who looks like Steve would be rejected if he had Sam's credit rating. But more often than not, the guy with Sam's credit rating looks like Sam, not like Steve. Even if applied equally, these standards disproportionately disqualify black people. And the real world is worse. Have you heard that with record low interest rates, lots of people want to refinance their mortgages yet black people are either refused in a bigger proportion or only offered worse rates than their current ones?(Source) That there is a list of "Worst banks to borrow from if you are Black/Hispanic"? (Source)

 

[Umbran]

Or people like me who just don't want to see the stuff they deal with on a daily basis being in their entertainment.

If you are watching a show about Captain America's legacy, or about the first female version of The Doctor in its nearly 60-year history... maybe avoiding such topics is not a reasonable expectation.

I'm terribly sorry that the systemic issues in our socity get in the way of sitting back with a beer and enjoying a break from the systemic issues in society. Maybe the shows aren't the real problem there, though...

 

[Maxperson]

Granted, even somebody who looks like Steve would be rejected if he had Sam's credit rating. But more often than not, the guy with Sam's credit rating looks like Sam, not like Steve. Even if applied equally, these standards disproportionately disqualify black people.

Sure, but that's not at all an issue with the standards. That's a completely separate issue with why so many black people are poor and have bad credit ratings. The reasons for the credit ratings being low need to be looked at and addressed, not the completely rational and correct view that people of any race with poor credit ratings are too much of a risk to lend to.

And the real world is worse. Have you heard that with record low interest rates, lots of people want to refinance their mortgages yet black people are either refused in a bigger proportion or only offered worse rates than their current ones?(Source) That there is a list of "Worst banks to borrow from if you are Black/Hispanic"? (Source)

All other things being equal, if race is the only reason for the disparity, then that's wrong and needs to be addressed.

 

[MoonSong]

In previous episodes, they were more subtle about it. If the viewer was paying attention, the subject matter was pretty clear. Although referring to the main character as uncle Sam was a bit on the nose.

Maybe it was subtle to you, I found the whole series extremely blunt, blatant and far from subtle. But again, it seems that as a non-American my views and experiences in this subject don't count.

 

[Maxperson]

If you are watching a show about Captain America's legacy, or about the first female version of The Doctor in its nearly 60-year history... maybe avoiding such topics is not a reasonable expectation.

Captain America was one of my favorite comics when I was younger. I rarely got this sort of thing in it, despite Cap standing for right and justice. Same with Superman, who also stood for right and justice. It happened on occasion, but it wasn't prevalent.