Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

[Parmandur]

And they are bad ass fighters

Oh, boy howdy. They've already cast a major Aiel character for the next season (top ten in number of POVs in the books), so we will start to see more soon.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Not sure I really get making Min so much older than Rand if they plan on shipping them. Like, that'd be weird, right?

That anticlimactic Dragon reveal.

Where's Loial? Why is he even on this trip? If they didn't need him to open to the ways why is he along?

The forced romantic triangle between Egwene, Rand and Perrin. Not only was it completely unnecessary it showed up and ceased to exist within the span of a single scene, really strange.

All that aside, I quite like the episode and considering they had to pick up the pieces with Mat's actor not coming back from the COVID pause and are only working with 8 episodes to adapt the entire first book I think it's going reasonably well.

Loial was needed to read the Guidings. I assume he wandered off to Fal Dara's library during the later part of the episode.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Well they haven't told us what an Aiel is yet. I had my suspicion but it's been 21 years since I read the book.

Thom specifically mentioned the veiling when they buried the dead Aiel a few episodes ago. So it's been mentioned, but for some reason some people aren't cutting this episode's Aiel any slack for, you know, being in the middle of childbirth...

 

[eyeheartawk]

Loial was needed to read the Guidings. I assume he wandered off to Fal Dara's library during the later part of the episode.

Yeah, that's true.

The whole thing is just kind of off. If channeling is required to use the ways, how were the Ogiers in the way back using them regularly? How was Padain Fain literally using it in the same episode, and he, presumably (we don't know for sure in the show, I guess, technically), cannot channel.

If you were just going to invent the need to have Moraine open the ways, she's a learned Aes Sedai, they could just as easily say she can read the guidings too then.

If I had to guess, I would say that this was something they had to add to explain why they couldn't just re-open the way entrance to go get Mat after whatever happened off-screen happened.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Yeah, that's true.

The whole thing is just kind of off. If channeling is required to use the ways, how were the Ogiers in the way back using them regularly? How was Padain Fain literally using it in the same episode, and he, presumably (we don't know for sure in the show, I guess, technically), cannot channel.

If you were just going to invent the need to have Moraine open the ways, she's a learned Aes Sedai, they could just as easily say she can read the guidings too then.

If I had to guess, I would say that this was something they had to add to explain why they couldn't just re-open the way entrance to go get Mat after whatever happened off-screen happened.

There's a picture in the extras showing Fain at the Waygate holding a leaf-shaped key. Like with the picture of Rand and Tam escaping the trollocs that was released with the Episode 1 extras, this will presumably be shown in flashback. Presumably Loial didn't have one since the Ogier no longer use the Ways.

 

[Bolares]

The whole thing is just kind of off. If channeling is required to use the ways, how were the Ogiers in the way back using them regularly?

Seing the bonus content, Padain is holding some kind of leaf thingy (?) I've heard that there is something with ways and leafs.

 

[eyeheartawk]

Seing the bonus content, Padain is holding some kind of leaf thingy (?) I've heard that there is something with ways and leafs.

Oh, there absolutely is.

But then we'd be working backwards to explain how the ways would be used, in the normal way, wouldn't we?

I think the whole thing feels so janky and off is because it is. If they used the leaf to open the door initially, they could just use again to open the door again and not have to worry about Machin Shin.

They're now going to have to explain how Padain Fain has knowledge of a method to use the ways that Loial, the Ogier, whose people created them, does not know.

 

[TheSword]

Oh, there absolutely is.

But then we'd be working backwards to explain how the ways would be used, in the normal way, wouldn't we?

I think the whole thing feels so janky and off is because it is. If they used the leaf to open the door initially, they could just use again to open the door again and not have to worry about Machin Shin.

They're now going to have to explain how Padain Fain has knowledge of a method to use the ways that Loial, the Ogier, whose people created them, does not know.

Loial might know the method, and just not have a key?

Padan Fain clearly does know how because he’s a tool of Ishmael. Just as he knew in the books.

Morraine having way to open them with channelling (as she does in the books, albeit destructively) doesn’t preclude there being a non-channelling way.

With the ways being so in the open and dramatic in this version kinda means the idea of a simple and obvious key less likely. It stands to reason that you would take the key with you if you were a selfish bastard and therefore keep your own use of the ways while inhibiting others.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Oh, there absolutely is.

But then we'd be working backwards to explain how the ways would be used, in the normal way, wouldn't we?

I think the whole thing feels so janky and off is because it is. If they used the leaf to open the door initially, they could just use again to open the door again and not have to worry about Machin Shin.

They're now going to have to explain how Padain Fain has knowledge of a method to use the ways that Loial, the Ogier, whose people created them, does not know.

Presumably the keys were all removed by the Ogier, and Loial, being young and basically a runaway, doesn't have one. I would imagine the Ogier keep them locked up tight due to the condition the Ways are in right now (although in situations like this, some always escape). Like several other things so far, the series seems to be setting up a mystery, and explaining it later.

 

[Bolares]

Padan Fain clearly does know how because he’s a tool of Ishmael.

I KNEW HE WAS A TOOL!!