During the Post-Classical Era, the power of the Roman Empire was prestigious. The chiefs of the Germanic tribes aggressively self-Romanized, styling themselves as Roman aristocrats, adopting the Roman point-of-view and Roman way of life, while conscripting tribe members into the Roman armies.And yet the brought us civilization, urbanization. We kept and cherished those even after kicking the romans themselves out.
I am regularily going to cities that were founded by the romans thousands of years ago and still going strong in modern germany. The legacy of the roman occupation are the pillars of our modern culture. Even our laws are still based on what the romans left us (in principle).
Not based on what those savage weirdos in their longhouses worshiping Wotan did.
You missunderstood. I am not disappointed. I am having a blast as those faires and hope that next year we'll again have more of those and not all are cancelled again due to covid
Sure, but there's a direct link between the Romans and the logic involved in defending/supporting the Roman conquests and the colonial conquests
Sure we do, and it's not like we're spitting on it or whatever, but I think British people, especially under a certain age, are a bit less keen on the Romans, because we have at least some evidence of successful traditions wiped out by them (agriculture being one, not being massive misogynists being another - rumours of Celtic matriarchy are likely false but powerful women had far more of a place in Celtic society than Roman), and whilst neo-paganism never caught on, there's an innate sympathy for the Druids and so on, who Caesar was so proud of wiping out.I am pretty shocked that british look back so harshly on the roman times. Don't you have restored patches of Hadrian's Wall that are treated as cultural heritage and place of yearly roman renfaires?
We sure have those along the Limes.
Yup. You side with the winning side, not with the people who are getting crushed militarily and having their land taken away for being insufficiently Roman, and so on.During the Post-Classical Era, the power of the Roman Empire was prestigious. The chiefs of the Germanic tribes aggressively self-Romanized, styling themselves as Roman aristocrats, adopting the Roman point-of-view and Roman way of life, while conscripting tribe members into the Roman armies.
I mean, I don't think you can reject that logic so easily, given the huge amount of scholarship around it, but if you're saying as a mod we shouldn't discuss the Romans, I guess that's that.Well, I just rejected that logic based on how the results are nowhere near analogous. Quick, concise, and efficient.
I think discussing the Romans at this point is a distraction.
I just took offense to the idea that they brought civilization. All the conquered peoples Rome defeated had civilization. The idea that they didn't is part of the great justification for colonialism, particularly in the 19th Century.
Every time I hear that history is written by the victors I can't help but think of Thucydides who was on the losing side of the Peloponnesian War, the robust body of Lost Cause literature created by Southern historians regarding the American Civil War, or the myriad of books on Vietnam written by Americans.History is written by the victor, but archaeology lets you find out that it's often a pack of lies, and a lot of what people claim about Rome is exactly that.
Hi, could you clarify this phrase: "I tickle on the recurring founding" ? I realize we're not all native English speakers - and I welcome that - I just want to make sure I understand what you're conveying.I have read your proposal. I tickle on the recurring founding because I evaluate that you place your noble cause in a position of weakness by doing so.
IMO if I was in charge of a Waldorf school, I would politely discard an offer of funding base on products that promote mockery and racism. The tie with educational article won’t change the nature of gaz10 product. And knowing human nature, even with your proposals add in, Gaz10 may become a crush for the wrong reasons. So for educational purpose I would rather seek for a DnD setting to promote Native American culture and history.
Amends certainly won't come if no one calls for it. I'll move on when I wish.Amends is a step, it may never come, so better keep moving on, the goal is to have a meaningful and satisfying life.
The main problem with Roman settings is, hilariously, that virtually all of them tone DOWN how horrifying a lot of elements of Roman culture were, rather than even presenting them accurately, let alone demonizing them.
I actually cannot think of a single setting which genuinely manages to demonize the Romans (it's probably out there but I can't think of it). Literally all of the Roman and quasi-Roman settings I can think of stop short of some of the more horrifying stuff (especially re: mass executions, mass slavery, sometimes quasi-genocidal conquest, and so on). There's always this "But they were civilized!!!!" thing. And like mate no. They were not. They just seemed like it. Reading about Roman society is always fascinating because one minute you're going "Wow, that's almost like us!" and the next you're going "JESUS WEPT THEY DID WHAT?!?!".
I mean, that's because of a misunderstanding of what "History is written by the victor" refers to though, isn't it?Every time I hear that history is written by the victors I can't help but think of Thucydides who was on the losing side of the Peloponnesian War, the robust body of Lost Cause literature created by Southern historians regarding the American Civil War, or the myriad of books on Vietnam written by Americans.