D&D General "Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D

[Vaalingrade]

Yeah, but I don't care much what the illithids think.

That makes them morally superior.

They very much care what you think.

That's the seasoning.

 

[Maxperson]

Also, the pigs know what they did.

They never should have evolved bacon.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Yeah, but I don't care much what the illithids think. I don't think you have to believe in cosmic evil to use it for a term. If pigs actually find a way to communicate with me tomorrow, I'd be off pork the next day, and that's exactly the situation the mind flayers are in.

You're judging the pigs by your human standards, why wouldn't the mind flayers do the same to humans? Pigs are intelligent feeling creatures, as smart as dogs or two-year-old humans. There is no reasonable doubt about the fact that they generally don't wish to be killed. That you refuse to accept that because they're unable to articulate that wish using human speech makes exactly as much sense as mind flayers respecting human wishes only if the humans communicate those to them telepathically.

 

[Cadence]

You're judging the pigs by your human standards, why wouldn't the mind flayers do the same to humans? Pigs are intelligent feeling creatures, as smart as dogs or two-year-old humans. There is no reasonable doubt about the fact that they generally don't wish to be killed. That you refuse to accept that because they're unable to articulate that wish using human speech makes exactly as much sense as mind flayers respecting human wishes only if the humans communicate those to them telepathically.

I've read Animal Farm. The pigs would like us to think it was only an allegory!

But seriously, pigs might be evil, but they're nothing compared to the true dark powers...
[warning, don't watch this if you haven't seen Babe yet, go see the movie]


"It's probably the most noble purpose of all."

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I've read Animal Farm. The pigs would like us to think it was only an allegory!

But seriously, pigs might be evil, but they're nothing compared to the true dark powers...

.....CATS.

What, you thought that SPECTRE was controlled by Blofled? Ha!

 

[Maxperson]

.....CATS.

What, you thought that SPECTRE was controlled by Blofled? Ha!

 

[Gradine]

Yeah, but I don't care much what the illithids think. I don't think you have to believe in cosmic evil to use it for a term. If pigs actually find a way to communicate with me tomorrow, I'd be off pork the next day, and that's exactly the situation the mind flayers are in.

My understanding of Illithids is that they would consider our vocal languages to be nothing more than the braying of a herd animal. I rather think that at this point we humans give pigs more credit for their intelligence than a mind flayer would have for a human.

 

[Gradine]

And commenter Gradine of Enworld came unto me
Snatching me up from my place of slumber
And took me on high and higher still
Until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself
And he brought me into the aether of the Spelljammers
And as we descended cries of impending doom rose from the men of corn
One thousand nay a million voices full of fear
And terror possessed me then
And I begged Gradine of Enworld what are these tortured screams?
And Gradine said unto me
These are the cries of the Corn Men, the cries of the corn!
You see, when you have vegetarian Mind Flayers
Every day is harvest day and to the Corn Men it is the holocaust



One way or another, it ALWAYS comes back to corn.

You should've picked a song by Korn

 

[Cadence]

You should've picked a song by Korn

Google does tell us that

I imagine that pigs, plants, and Illithid are all less likely to fall for silly things on the web than we are. (Does this mean it's ok to eat the corn but not the carrot?)

 

[Hussar]

There is, of course, slightly more to mind flayers than simple diet though. Mind Flayers enslave other races, even those they don't eat. Now, while you can argue that they have to eat intelligent beings, the torture, slavery and various other ickiness is kinda a damning point. It's not like they absolutely have to enslave intelligent beings to do their bidding.

Or, to use the vegetarian argument - if we're bad for eating pigs, that doesn't somehow justify mind flayers. It just means by D&D standards, we're evil.