Ukraine invasion

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don't mess with granny A grandma in Kyiv says she took out a suspicious drone while Russia was attacking by throwing a jar of pickled tomatoes at it

 

[FrogReaver]

NATO was acting under UN authority. They were there as a peacekeeping force. Again, if the UN authorizes action, THEN they can move as a NATO representative of the UN. Go back and check your sources. I was assigned in support of those operations, just so you know.

Didn’t know that but you are correct.

 

[Thunderfoot]

Didn’t know that but you are correct.

No hard feelings, the argument is somewhat colored because the Security Council didn't sign off but the General Assembly did, that's why they didn't wear the funny blue hats.

 

[Horwath]

Current action seems less to be about mutually assured destruction, and more about avoiding testing who is actually going to hold to a generations-old doctrine.

hey, whatever works.

Just as long so I do not have to use my bad-to-mediocre longbow skills for hunting fluorescent rats and stray cats and dogs for food :/
(If anyone survives the initial attack that is)

 

[Ulfgeir]

So apparently the Russians are violating Swedish airspace. Cue ominous music...

They do that now and again, but they haven't done it with multiple planes at the same time as far as I know. And since it took place while the Swedish and the Finnish ministers of defence were having a meeting at Gotland, it was definitively a subtle threat against even thinking about joining NATO.

EDIT: posted this while catching up on the thread before seeing the mods notices further down in the thread.

 

[Aeson]

don't mess with granny A grandma in Kyiv says she took out a suspicious drone while Russia was attacking by throwing a jar of pickled tomatoes at it

Is that the same grandma that told a Russian soldier to put sunflower seeds in his pocket so when he died sunflowers would grow? Some of the stories coming out of this are amusing.

 

[Aeson]

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[Thunderfoot]

They do that now and again, but they haven't done it with multiple planes at the same time as far as I know. And since it took place while the Swedish and the Finnish ministers of defence were having a meeting at Gotland, it was definitively a subtle threat against even thinking about joining NATO.

EDIT: posted this while catching up on the thread before seeing the mods notices further down in the thread.

Yeah, it might have the reverse effect though. Finland seemed very interested in moving from partner in peace to 'keep the Russians off our lawn'.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah, it might have the reverse effect though. Finland seemed very interested in moving from partner in peace to 'keep the Russians off our lawn'.

Finn's know a thing or to about incoming Russians.


And look at it now.

 

[Thunderfoot]

So after researching member nation of the current UN Security Council, I have a firm grasp on how a vote on UN peacekeeping operations would go.
This is an opinion based on information that is freely available. It is my opinion only but, using techniques I learned while on active duty it's probably not too far off the mark. This should answer the question, why hasn't this happened.

This post is not meant to assign blame, accuse an country of wrong doing or dismiss the severity of the situation...It is informative ONLY

Votes for Action: US, UK, France, Norway .. as members of NATO and with 'skin in the game' these nations would be a lock.

Most likely a yes: Ireland, and Albania. Both of these nations have had diplomatic ties to Russia in the last 40 years, however, relations have soured with both in the last 5 - 10 years with both countries condemning the recent invasion.

No votes: Russia, Kenya, Gabon, Ghana
Obviously Russia would condemn a UN peacekeeping action against them but the three African countries named have too much invested in Russia to 'bite the hand that feeds them'. Even though they have been mostly neutral in the General Assembly, their SecCoun votes would be enough to spoil a 2/3rds majority.

Possible no votes: UAE
UAE has been a strange mercurial player on the world stage. They don't want Islamic Jihadists or extremists ruling the Middle East (ie Iran) but also don't support Western openness characterized as Zionism. Russia has been very open to supporting their operations in defense of Iran without requesting more diplomatic openness to the Israeli state. While they most likely would abstain, there is a chance that they would vote no in order to garner diplomatic clout.

Abstention: China, India, Mexico, and Brazil
All four nations have very close diplomatic and economic ties with Russia, tourism is also very much a commodity among these nations. However, none of these nations currently have the want or need to support either side politically. This stance keeps them neutral on the world stage and allows them to supply whatever or both sides during a conflict.

Final Tally: 4(6) Yea 4(5) Nay 4(7) Abstain.
These numbers mean no direct UN action outside of General Assembly sanctions and finger wagging is incoming.
Now all this could change IF Russia pushes the nuclear option (UN GenAss'y could call for action with a vote overriding SecCon vote), Genocide becomes a major issue (GenAss'y could activate UNICEF and a UN peacekeeping guard with none SecCon membership - usually smaller nations that otherwise wouldn't participate, in this case most likely African nations that Russia has ties with in order to ensure Russia doesn't attack UNICEF ops) or the President of the GenAss'y could ask NATO to intervene, though at this point that seems unlikely.

Hopefully this answers all those questions without crossing any lines or inciting anger from outraged posters. (ie don't shoot the messenger).