D&D Celebrity Satine Phoenix & Husband Jamison Stone Accused Of Abuse Towards Freelancers

D&D influencer Satine Phoenix, and her husband Jamison Stone, who run tabletop gaming company Apotheosis Studios, have been accused of abusive behavior towards freelancers and contracted workers. Satine Phoenix is a well-known D&D personality and creator, and was the D&D Community Manager for about a year back in 2018. Both she and Stone have appeared in many events and streaming shows, and...

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D&D influencer Satine Phoenix, and her husband Jamison Stone, who run tabletop gaming company Apotheosis Studios, have been accused of abusive behavior towards freelancers and contracted workers.

Satine Phoenix is a well-known D&D personality and creator, and was the D&D Community Manager for about a year back in 2018. Both she and Stone have appeared in many events and streaming shows, and have worked with WotC, Geek & Sundry, and other companies. Recently their Kickstarter campaign Sirens: Battle of the Bards raised over $300,000. At GaryCon, a US gaming convention, the couple held a public wedding.

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Accusations were initially leveled last week against Stone by tattooist Chad Rowe, who tweeted about the abusive way in which Stone, as his client at the time, treated him. The artist was "insulted, berated, and talked down to as if I was a lesser person". Other reports started to roll in as people shared similar experiences, with people revealing how they had been bullied by them, and how the pair frequently portrayed themselves as 'better' than those they worked with. At the time of writing there have been many such reports including one from voice actress and designer Liisa Lee who was subjected to underhanded business practices by Phoenix and her then partner Ruty Rutenberg. Others indicated difficulties in getting paid for work done for Stone and Phoenix or their company.

Lysa Penrose reported on problematic interactions while Phoenix worked at WotC, who was the primary point of contact regarding a report of abuse. Penrose reports that Phoenix failed to pass on the reports of abuse, and continued to publicly associate with the abuser.

Jamison Stone has since resigned as CEO of Apotheosis Studios (though the pair do own the company) and issued a long apology which has been widely criticized. Phoenix released a statement about a week later. Screenshots leaked from a private channel indicate that they have adopted a strategy of shifting the blame onto Stone, so that Phoenix's public image remain intact, with Stone writing “I also am ensuring behind the scenes ... we shield Satine as much as physically possible from damage.”

D&D In A Castle, which is an event which hosts D&D games run by professional DMs in a weekend break in a castle, has dropped the pair from its lineup, as has Jasper's Game Day, an organization which works to prevent suicides. Origins Game Fair, at which the couple are celebrity guests, removed Stone from its guest list, but not Phoenix, stating that "staff assessed that there was no immediate risk of physical harm".

According to ComicBook.com. former collaborator of Phoenix, Ruty Rutenberg, is suing Phoenix, alleging misappropriation of $40,000 of stream network Maze Arcana's money.
 

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I wonder is wandering off into the weeds and the lectures about sex shaming really have that firm a place here. Immediately going to sex shaming whenever the topic comes up is just a canned response without nuance or context.

I can be ok with the porn industry and understand that society as a whole has age restrictions on who can view it. I can be relaxed about it and understand that there are downward age restrictions of people used in the illegal parts of the industry and it is not sex shaming there.

To wonder why Hasbro wants a public spokes person that is openly from that industry is not a forbidden topic to be shut down with cries of sex shaming. In the case of D&D it is not aimed at super young children so I don’t think it is that big a deal but in the spectrum of views on the topic it is not evil to wonder or not like it. You can acknowledge that it is legal and have an intellectual view that working in it does not taint a person for life and still have emotional or moral reservations about the effect on children.

In the case that this thread is addressing, I don’t think it is relevant.
 


ECMO3

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Anyone who thinks businesses are universally paid on invoices within 30 days are not living in the real world. If you want more security and payments on a fixed schedule you should take a low-paying job as an employee with an actual wage, instead of holding out for more money as an independent contractor.
 
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MGibster

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An alternate POV is that Satine Phoenix is a brand. It's standard practice for media companies to use different brands for their adult and child products so both kids and parents can better identify what is appropriate material.
More importantly, Satine Phoenix is an actual living breathing human being. There's an interview with poet Shel Silverstein
On her web page, Satine refers to herself as "the queen of D&D". D&D is a generally a kid friendly brand.
Since when? In recent years, WotC published a campaign where the big bad evil guy has several sex slaves, is attempting to take another woman against her will as his bride, features child murder, drug addiction, human trafficking, cannibalism, and all sorts of other things that makes it inappropriate for children. And that's just Curse of Strahd! The very first edition of AD&D had the infamous random harlot table (Trollops of the Greyhawk unite).

We're not talking about eight year olds here, we're talking teenagers on the low end of the age spectrum for the most part. If they can handle Strahd then can handle Satine Phoenix. And even if they can't, well, there are plenty of adult D&D players who can.
I don’t really care what Satine does with her body. I do care that WotC openly and knowingly associates with people using their adult film star personas to promote a game marketed for children.
I never would have known Satine had made adult movies if other people hadn't told me. It never came up in any of the videos I saw her in, but then I never watched I Hit It with My Axe.
I mentioned upthread that Satine has said before that that point of her life was dark and she never wants to revisit it. I happen to think that telling someone they are prohibited from following their dream career because of what happened to them when they were young (sometimes not even their fault) is grossly unfair. I'm reminded of the attacks upon Sasha Grey and her new career.
Yeah, for the men and women who want to transition from adult filmmaking to another career it can be difficult because there are several obstacles. You're branded forever and a lot of people don't want to associate with you. Phoenix didn't do anything inappropriate in any of the videos I've seen her in, and I think it's unfair to hold her former occupation against her. It's not unfair to hold her bad behavior against her though. I'm fine with that.

he use of neonicotinoid pesticides in commercial farming has done and continues to do incredible harm to the environment and is widely recognized as being a major contributor to the endangerment of bees.
Look, if you're just going to start making up words we can't have a serious....oh.....that is a word. Carry on.
 

Yes, it is.

Because it is sex shaming.
It is not.

I don’t invest in tobacco companies and would have an issue with someone being prominent in promoting that product being a spokes person for a hobby I enjoyed.

In this particular case I both do not think it is relevant and I personally have no problem with her former profession. I also don’t mind the discussion on it except for the immediate chorus of “sex shaming”.
 

Anyone who thinks businesses are universally paid on invoices within 30 days are not living in the real world. If you want more security and payments on a fixed schedule you should take a low-paying job as an employee with an actual wage, instead of being greedy and holding out for more money as an independent contractor.
There is a difference between people not reading their contracts and having unrealistic views on how contractors get paid and the allegations that people were not paid at all.

One I have a small amount of sympathy with the business owner. The other is a huge issue. And the examples that people cited of how the contracted (expected by the business) payment terms and the outside talents feelings were handled was not the way I would run a business.
 

billd91

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Anyone who thinks businesses are universally paid on invoices within 30 days are not living in the real world. If you want more security and payments on a fixed schedule you should take a low-paying job as an employee with an actual wage, instead of being greedy and holding out for more money as an independent contractor.
Kind of naughty word to blame the freelancer who isn’t getting paid in a reasonable time for their employer’s poor management.
It may be true that lots of invoices get paid late in this economy, but it’s also true that in many of those cases, late invoices start to accrue interest after 30 days. You ought to see some of the massive interest payments made to health care providers if the insurance payer doesn’t pony up the payments in time...
 

bedir than

Full Moon Storyteller
Anyone who thinks businesses are universally paid on invoices within 30 days are not living in the real world. If you want more security and payments on a fixed schedule you should take a low-paying job as an employee with an actual wage, instead of being greedy and holding out for more money as an independent contractor.
The reported responses to requests of getting paid on contract were not mild explanations of cause, but beratement and threats of never working in the industry again.

That's highly unusual. I say this as someone who has invoiced hundreds of times, and yes orgs have missed deadline. We talked about it like mature adults. I worked with them again.
 

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