Ms Marvel (spoilers)

[billd91]

My big disappointment when it comes to Damage Control was that they turned them into just-another-watered-down SHIELD/SWORD/FBI/etc. In the comics, they are a construction company that's played for comedy that has to go in and repair things just the way it used to be after a superhero battle.

Sure, but I think the current view of Damage Control fits the times a little better. In the aftermath of the Chitauri invasion of New York, with all that alien tech around, you know the government wouldn't leave it to just a bunch of civilian contracts - hence Spider-Man: Homecoming's appearance of the Vulture.
Hell, even the proliferation of similar governmental departments that don't seem to be entirely cooperating and may overlap is pretty on target.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Sure, but I think the current view of Damage Control fits the times a little better. In the aftermath of the Chitauri invasion of New York, with all that alien tech around, you know the government wouldn't leave it to just a bunch of civilian contracts - hence Spider-Man: Homecoming's appearance of the Vulture.
Hell, even the proliferation of similar governmental departments that don't seem to be entirely cooperating and may overlap is pretty on target.

Oh yeah, Marvel's got TONS of those organizations, though. They could have kept Damage Control as it is and used something else. Heck, the guys with those pulse-cannons looked more like Code Blue than they did like DC.

 

[Bolares]

Honest question, are they? I haven't heard anything since the Snap that confirmed or denied anything about the Sokovia accords.

They are. not every show or movie talks about them, but we see their effects in both wandavision and spiderman no way home.

 

[Staffan]

Yup. Even though I'll argue to this day that Ross had, effectively, one legitimate case of the three he presented; while I argue that Banner and Stark only had a limited fault for Ultron, they didn't have none. But when the heroes get blamed for the Chitari and Hydra, I just roll my eyes.

Well, if Thor hadn't been a gigantic bleepup, he would not have been exiled to Earth, and then he would not have been fighting his brother on the Bifrost leading to Loki falling into Thanos's lap and giving him ideas about putting him in charge of an army with which to conquer Earth. Plus, SHIELD's futzing around with the Tesseract might have been what attracted Loki and the Chitauri in the first place.

And I'd also argue that Banner & Stark were fully responsible for Ultron. They built it, and they were the ones carelessly experimenting with the Mind Stone – to the best of my knowledge, without any oversight whatsoever. And if anyone should be aware of the potential consequences of careless experimentation, it's Bruce Banner.

 

[Staffan]

They are. not every show or movie talks about them, but we see their effects in both wandavision and spiderman no way home.

I'm pretty sure they also came up in The Falcon & The Winter Soldier.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Well, if Thor hadn't been a gigantic bleepup, he would not have been exiled to Earth, and then he would not have been fighting his brother on the Bifrost leading to Loki falling into Thanos's lap and giving him ideas about putting him in charge of an army with which to conquer Earth. Plus, SHIELD's futzing around with the Tesseract might have been what attracted Loki and the Chitauri in the first place.

So Thanos wouldn't have just directed someone else to reclaim the Tesserect from Earth? And in a situation where there was no one to resist?

As to SHIELD--SHIELD is not a collection of superhumans. Its a transnational spook agency. It doesn't have anything to do with whether supers are a problem.

And I'd also argue that Banner & Stark were fully responsible for Ultron. They built it, and they were the ones carelessly experimenting with the Mind Stone – to the best of my knowledge, without any oversight whatsoever. And if anyone should be aware of the potential consequences of careless experimentation, it's Bruce Banner.

I've heard the argument, and I don't buy it. They didn't build Ultron; they were doing preliminary exploration of an AI based on the Mind Stone's code architecture. They were letting a test run (with Jarvis on oversight) for the length of a party. I think calling the result of that as "fully responsible" is about like calling someone investigating a crashed meteor as "fully responsible" that the Blob crawls out of it.

 

[Umbran]

I've heard the argument, and I don't buy it. They didn't build Ultron; they were doing preliminary exploration of an AI based on the Mind Stone's code architecture. They were letting a test run (with Jarvis on oversight) for the length of a party. I think calling the result of that as "fully responsible" is about like calling someone investigating a crashed meteor as "fully responsible" that the Blob crawls out of it.

"Here we have an alien artifact of extreme power that has characteristics of an artificial intelligence! Let's hook it up to our own AI, and walk away."

Seems to fit the basic definition of negligence. And yeah, they are responsible for the results of their negligent actions.

 

[Ryujin]

"Here we have an alien artifact of extreme power that has characteristics of an artificial intelligence! Let's hook it up to our own AI, and walk away."

Seems to fit the basic definition of negligence. And yeah, they are responsible for the results of their negligent actions.

Yeah, given how quickly things happen in the world of computing, it's pretty negligent, though not sure they'd be able to react in nanoseconds. Setting up more safeguards, perhaps?

 

[Stalker0]

"Here we have an alien artifact of extreme power that has characteristics of an artificial intelligence! Let's hook it up to our own AI, and walk away."

Seems to fit the basic definition of negligence. And yeah, they are responsible for the results of their negligent actions.

Agreed. At absolute bare minimum running the tests in an isolated network (aka one that is physical disconnected from the internet or other networks, so there is literally no way to have bleed over into your main system).

Even if Ultron came alive like he did, in a properly isolated system he would never have been able to get out into bodies and the internet.

Yeah it was pretty gross negliance considering they KNEW they were dealing with an alien intelligence. It was the equivalent of dealing with an alien virus and going "eh we don't need quarantined areas, we can just do it casually here in this lab..... oh my god the world just got a plague um not our fault!!!"

 

[Bolares]

Not only that, but Stark decided TO DO IT AGAIN.