Orville: New Horizons (Spoilers)

[billd91]

Not to mention that expelling Moclan from the Union basically means abandoning future Moclan females to their patriarchal society:

Arguably, by booting the Moclans, they free themselves to take a more active role in doing so since they can now protect the female enclave and no longer need to enforce the agreement to halt the Underground Railroad of Moclan females to safety.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

recommend at least looking at Ashen Stars

Thanks for the recommendation, I will check it out.

 

[Aeson]

A trench run scene.

Use the Force, Lamar.

 

[Umbran]

Isn't that exactly what the Union is doing?

By coddling the Moclans, the Union was buying safety with the sacrifice of Moclan female liberty as payment. That safety was temporary - even with the Moclans, the Union was losing.

Only in holding to principles - in not allowing eradication of females within the Union, and then by refusing to become genocidal - was a resolution to the Kaylon threat found.

Some folks are big on leaning into, "doing what needs to be done." Here, the one person who actually does that successfully does it in an act of self sacrifice to prevent death, not to cause it.

 

[briggart]

Arguably, by booting the Moclans, they free themselves to take a more active role in doing so since they can now protect the female enclave and no longer need to enforce the agreement to halt the Underground Railroad of Moclan females to safety.

I was under the assumption that the smuggling took advantage of legitimate traffic between Moclan and the rest of the Union, so that drying up will make things more difficult. But you make a good point, it's possible that the Union will be in position to take more direct steps in helping the Moclan females, especially now that the Kaylon threat seems to be resolved.

 

[Ryujin]

A trench run scene.

Use the Force, Lamar.

That thing had just been sitting in the landing bay, getting in the way, all season. Chekhov's Starfighter.

 

[briggart]

By coddling the Moclans, the Union was buying safety with the sacrifice of Moclan female liberty as payment. That safety was temporary - even with the Moclans, the Union was losing.

That to me sounds "the Union is loosing anyway, so they could as well alienate the Moclans", which is different from "the Union should alienate the Moclans, even if it means being exterminated by the Kaylons".

Only in holding to principles - in not allowing eradication of females within the Union, and then by refusing to become genocidal - was a resolution to the Kaylon threat found.

The Kaylon threat was resolved as soon as the device existed. Using the device to eradicate them, force them to an armistice, or it ending up in Moclans/Krills' hands leading to a chain of events which ultimately changed Kaylons' view of the Union are all effective resolutions of the conflict. If anything, I expect that the Union choices in S3E9 will have a payoff in the resolution of the conflict with the Moclans/Krills, but the Kaylon threat was over regardless of that.

 

[Aeson]

That thing had just been sitting in the landing bay, getting in the way, all season. Chekhov's Starfighter.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Ryujin]

I thought the same thing.

I kept thinking that they wouldn't use it until the final episode. They beat my estimate by 1

 

[Stalker0]

Probably the biggest surprise was that Kaylon Prime did not get a chance to destroy the device. I mean that was the "obvious betrayal" that was setup as soon as Kaylon Prime joined their team, they would recover the device, Kaylon Prime would try to destroy it. Storytelling 101.

It was a nice change of pace that they didn't go that route.