Spelljammer The Forgotten Realms eats Spelljammer before it even finishes digesting Radiant Citadel!

[QuentinGeorge]

It's more of a "why are FR Gods even mentioned in other game worlds?", I would think. Why do we have FR elements creeping into other settings?

I mean, if, say, Krynn, which has it's own pantheon, and outsider deities are just that, wouldn't it be weird if a Dragonlance book started talking about Tyr, Torm, or Pelor?

Oh you haven’t read that Fizban dragon book then.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The Realms is the default 5e setting. Adventurer's League uses the default 5e setting. So of course if they want to bring other elements into the AL, they're going to start from the Realms.

The multiverse is the setting of 5e. Full stop.

FR is the most popular area of that setting, and so they make sure to explain how one uses any given part of the multiverse with FR, but 5e is entirely and fully set in the multiverse.

If we are to insist on using previous edition lingo for it, Planescape, expanded to include Spelljammer and MtG, is the default setting.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Thats the problem. The gods interfere in "various D&D settings" − even where they clearly dont belong.

They have not interfered in settings they don't belong in though (Unless a DM wants them to)

 

[Yaarel]

They have not interfered in settings they don't belong in though (Unless a DM wants them to)

An important part of the Eberron setting − used to be − religion is subjective, and each of the different cultures were in their own way right. No culture could prove their beliefs objectively. But each culture could perform miracles by their sacred traditions.

Eberron was doing something important. Something beautiful.



But then came along the gods of the Forgotten Realms and shat all over that.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

An important part of the Eberron setting − used to be − religion is subjective, and each of the different cultures were in their own way right. No culture could prove their beliefs objectively. But each culture could perform miracles by their sacred traditions.

Eberron was doing something important. Something beautiful.



But then came along the gods of the Forgotten Realms and shat all over that.

But they didn't, unless a DM wants to, a god from outside Eberron can't affect it or be involved with it. And once again it was not the gods of FR that were mentioned.

 

[Yaarel]

But they didn't, unless a DM wants to, a god from outside Eberron can't affect it or be involved with it. And once again it was not the gods of FR that were mentioned.

Eberron religion is SUBJECTIVE.

But now the existence of the Forgotten Realms gods is OBJECTIVE.

That is the problem itself.

Forgotten Realms turned Eberron into FR crap.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Eberron religion is SUBJECTIVE.

But now the existence of the Forgotten Realms gods is OBJECTIVE.

That is the problem itself.

Forgotten Realms turned Eberron into FR crap.

Forgotten Realms exists so Eberron is worse because of it? That makes little sense as an argument.

Also once again not Forgotten Realms gods.

 

[Yaarel]

Forgotten Realms exists so Eberron is worse because of it? That makes little sense as an argument.

Forgotten Realms its own setting concept. Whether I pour Eberron into it, or Star Wars, or Matrix, or Chthulu, or My Little Pony into it, it wont really disturb the premise of the Forgotten Realms setting.

Indeed, during the origins of the setting, Greenwood called it "Forgotten" because it was reallife Earth that is actually part of the setting that forgot about it.

That is the kind of setting that Forgotten Realms is.

But other settings arent like Forgotten Realms.

You cant pour Forgotten Realms into other settings. Because it destroys the premise of those other settings.

Also once again not Forgotten Realms gods.́

5e Forgotten Realms is nonidentical to earlier editions. The gods in 5e Forgotten Realms are Forgotten Realms gods.

They dont belong in other settings.

 

[Demetrios1453]

It's more of a "why are FR Gods even mentioned in other game worlds?", I would think. Why do we have FR elements creeping into other settings?

I mean, if, say, Krynn, which has it's own pantheon, and outsider deities are just that, wouldn't it be weird if a Dragonlance book started talking about Tyr, Torm, or Pelor?

As @MonsterEnvy said, the gods mentioned were Gruumsh, Corellon, and Lolth, who were originally Greyhawk deities. Then they were just generic, default deities, which is where FR picked them up (as the non-human gods were supposed to be the default among all worlds that didn't state otherwise).

 

[James Gasik]

Oh you haven’t read that Fizban dragon book then.

Eh, no, but I'm well aware that Fizban is rather metafictional (like when he shows up as Nabzif in the Death Gate novels).