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Gradine
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Clearly I did notFinally?????
Didn't you see S6 E10?
el-remmen
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A friend in my current group makes a delightful pizza with rabbit and pear - i forget what kind of cheese - but regardless <chef's kiss>
Hussar
Legend
I often agree with David Mitchell on a lot of things, but not this.
His complaint is that you are no longer allowed to say, "I told you so." That's his main problem with consensus building. The petty, completely unproductive retort for something going wrong. What about when consensus built things go right? Do you then pat everyone on the back and loudly proclaim how wrong you were for rowing against the tide?
Nope. Now it's only success because of a fluke. It's luck. It's successful because of a thousand reasons OTHER than it's because it was a good idea. 5e only succeeded because of Critical Role. The game is, of course, terrible. The players are terrible. No one is having any fun playing the game because it is so totally bad and if they had only listened to me and people who think like me, then we would have a great game that is even MORE successful.
Which is precisely what we see now. WotC starts off 5e by emphatically telling all of us, in very clear terms, that they are NOT doing book churn. They are going to release very limited numbers of books per year and each book will be a big deal. Oh noes, the hobby is dying. We have no shorter adventures. 5e is crap. Oh, wait, it's selling like gangbusters and it's becoming more popular than ever. Oh, well that's because the WotC fanboys will buy anything with a WotC label and they're the ones making it popular. Lowest common denominator. Oh, now we have this Critical Role thing. THAT'S why 5e is popular. On and on and on and on and on.
No one EVER admits that the consensus was right in the first place. If the consensus idea fails, it's all their fault for not listening to me in the first place. If the consensus idea succeeds, well, that's just luck, but, next time, they're going to fail.
His complaint is that you are no longer allowed to say, "I told you so." That's his main problem with consensus building. The petty, completely unproductive retort for something going wrong. What about when consensus built things go right? Do you then pat everyone on the back and loudly proclaim how wrong you were for rowing against the tide?
Nope. Now it's only success because of a fluke. It's luck. It's successful because of a thousand reasons OTHER than it's because it was a good idea. 5e only succeeded because of Critical Role. The game is, of course, terrible. The players are terrible. No one is having any fun playing the game because it is so totally bad and if they had only listened to me and people who think like me, then we would have a great game that is even MORE successful.
Which is precisely what we see now. WotC starts off 5e by emphatically telling all of us, in very clear terms, that they are NOT doing book churn. They are going to release very limited numbers of books per year and each book will be a big deal. Oh noes, the hobby is dying. We have no shorter adventures. 5e is crap. Oh, wait, it's selling like gangbusters and it's becoming more popular than ever. Oh, well that's because the WotC fanboys will buy anything with a WotC label and they're the ones making it popular. Lowest common denominator. Oh, now we have this Critical Role thing. THAT'S why 5e is popular. On and on and on and on and on.
No one EVER admits that the consensus was right in the first place. If the consensus idea fails, it's all their fault for not listening to me in the first place. If the consensus idea succeeds, well, that's just luck, but, next time, they're going to fail.
RealAlHazred
Frumious Flumph (Your Grace/Your Eminence)
He specifies early on that he's against "false" consensus -- when a group in power pretends to include people not in power, so that they can pretend the result (which was probably foreordained) is what everyone thought was the right idea all along. Like the British soldiers at the north bank of the Ancre on the first day of the Battle of the Somme -- it was a suicide mission, and nobody calls them idiots for doing it, because they didn't have a choice; it was ordered by the donkeys who ran the show.
Not only did I survive but it was also quite good (pear, gorgongola, pine nuts, onion compote). Far from classic, though.
Aeson
I am the mysterious professor.
Is that a Sid & Marty Kroft show?
Jacob Lewis
Ye Olde GM
WotC's "authority" ends at the table where my friends and guests get together and play.
This also applies for anyone else's opinions, advice, and two cents.
This also applies for anyone else's opinions, advice, and two cents.
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