Battlezoo Shares The OGL v1.1

Battlezoo, the YouTube channel which shared the initial leak of the new Open Game License, has shared the PDF of the OGL v1.1 draft which is currently circulating. This draft is, presumably, the same document obtained by Gizmodo last week. It's not currently known if this is the final version of the license.

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[Cadence]

And you have sacrificed the cpore elements of Pathfinder 2E that make it what it is. Why would Paizo do that?

They already have a Beginner Box that does that as an intro and it hasn't taken the world by storm the way PF1 did.

To have a variant with wider reach too?

To have the base of a more widely usable open license SRD?

(If either of those were valuable to them).

 

[Enrahim2]

They already have a Beginner Box that does that as an intro and it hasn't taken the world by storm the way PF1 did.

Good, then they only are mising the audience. It is a bit hard to get someone to play a game, if anotber game already fills that niche for everyone interested. But the hypotetical here was that a lot of causel gamers suddenly started looking around to play something else than D&D. How can you say that the PF2 might not suddenly see very different sales numbers than what it do now?

 

[Reynard]

To have a variant with wider reach too?

To have the base of a more widely usable open license SRD?

(If either of those were valuable to them).

Paizo is already carrying 2 lines, and diluting one of them is probably not sound business paractice.

 

[Reynard]

Good, then they only are mising the audience. It is a bit hard to get someone to play a game, if anotber game already fills that niche for everyone interested. But the hypotetical here was that a lot of causel gamers suddenly started looking around to play something else than D&D. How can you say that the PF2 might not suddenly see very different sales numbers than what it do now?

That's quite the hypothetical. The assertion that this is going to drive away some significant portion of D&D's fanbase is still very much speculation with minimal evidence.

 

[kenada]

And you have sacrificed the cpore elements of Pathfinder 2E that make it what it is. Why would Paizo do that?

They already have a Beginner Box that does that as an intro and it hasn't taken the world by storm the way PF1 did.

Paizo doesn’t have to do it. Someone else can. That’s the point of open gaming.

 

[Enrahim2]

That's quite the hypothetical. The assertion that this is going to drive away some significant portion of D&D's fanbase is still very much speculation with minimal evidence.

Someone sugggested it would be nice with a "safehaven". You replied that PF2 couldn't be that haven because it is too complex. I argued the beginner box was not complex. You seemed to dismiss this notion because the beginner box isn't popular. I point out that this do not support your original claim that the problem is that PF2 is too complex, as the reason for the starter set isn't popular is that its target audience is already taken. So it seem like we are ending up with an agreement that agree that the real problem with using PF2 as a safehaven doesn't having anything to do with the merits of the system, but rather D&Ds incredible hold of the largest potential customer base - the causals?

 

[Reynard]

Someone sugggested it would be nice with a "safehaven". You replied that PF2 couldn't be that haven because it is too complex. I argued the beginner box was not complex. You seemed to dismiss this notion because the beginner box isn't popular. I point out that this do not support your original claim that the problem is that PF2 is too complex, as the reason for the starter set isn't popular is that its target audience is already taken. So it seem like we are ending up with an agreement that agree that the real problem with using PF2 as a safehaven doesn't having anything to do with the merits of the system, but rather D&Ds incredible hold of the largest potential customer base - the causals?

These things are tied together. The primary suggestion is that Pathfinder is not a game that people fleeing D&D because of ideological reasons will embrace because it is too complex. That is separate from the idea that the exodus won't be that big in the first place. I do think PF2 will benefit from the OGL debacle, because not everyone is afraid of that complexity. I just don't think it will regain it's position as Serious Competition because of it.

 

[Riley]

Lorraine Williams is reviled by a lot of people, and Cynthia Williams will be reviled for this.

Sexism is a major reason why Lorraine Williams is/has been so reviled.

We don’t yet know who is driving this new campaign, beyond Hasbro/WOTC writ large.

 

[Umbran]

Mod Note:
Somewhere, folks have gotten the idea that using Russia or WWII Germany as reasonable metaphors for this issue.

Please, don't crank up the rhetoric like that. Please keep perspective, and don't use hyperbolic analogies. Thank you.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

I dunno, I think there's a qualitative difference between that and language that deliberately undercuts the messages and clarity of what they knew would be a controversial document. Also the Wizards of 2023 is a different company from that of 2000.

The other thing I keep coming back to is the source. Battlezoo isn't exactly a Ben Riggs or ENworld. When you have an anonymous source, you're relying on the trust that the institution and/or reporter have established, and until this blew up all over the internet, I'd never even heard of Battlezoo before.

The 1.0 threatens to feed you to Demogorgon if you misbehave

It's possible, certainly, but I can think of other, more professional ways of doing that.

Although, it makes one wonder if this isn't a case of tracking down leaks. It's why mapmakers would put fake towns on maps - because then they knew someone just stole their map. You can track down the leak 'easily' if a different word is misspelled on different pages -like if publisher A's copy has a word wrong on page 5, and publisher B's copy has it wrong on 13 etc