It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[Retreater]

Last Sunday, I ran my first in-person 5e D&D game since this debacle started. There was a 13 year-old proudly showing off the PHB she got for Christmas, tabs placed for her class, spell list, etc. (she no longer has to borrow her older sister's copy). There was the 55 year-old dad with his two teenaged sons. They brought me a belated Christmas gift of D&D-branded minis as a thank you for being their DM. The dad was wearing his Tiamat-hoodie with the D&D ampersand. His sons, my wife, and my nephew were all showing off their new dice sets.
We had a great session (Original Adventures Reincarnated Isle of Dread, by Goodman - if you're interested). Had some good combats, found some great treasures, reached 5th level. For that 4 hour session, it was like there was no controversy - nothing but a good time among friends. Which is, ultimately, what this should all be about - and something we sometimes lose when we're raging on the Internet.

 

[Maxperson]

I think that logic does not follow.
A is bollocks.
B is probably the best answer. It does not mean I have lost trust. It means I make a sensible decision.
C depends... If I have a good alternative, which is always good I might opt into into this decision. But often there is not.
Yeah, this is the one closest to cnot trusting them" anymore. Biut actually it is not them that I trust anymore. I don't necessarily assume they tried to screw me over. I just don't have faith in their products.

That. If you* aren't checking to see if what you* are buying is worth what you are paying, that's on you*.

*General you

 

[Maxperson]

They're both trust.

If I can't trust the company to not screw me over, then I have no reason to buy from them.

From a consumer point of view, WotC can't screw you over. You can look at what they put out before you buy. I suppose if you pre-order you can get screwed, but that's your fault for buying sight unseen.

If I can't trust the company to make good products, then I have no reason to buy from them.

Same as above. No company is going to universally put out good products. People will like some and not others. Quality will be an issue at times. This is why you look at what you are getting before you buy it and/or look at consumer reviews.

 

[Umbran]

Why do you ask me not to derail and then go on with that line of conversation? I wanted to respect that request. Probably I mistook your normal voice for your mod voice...

Mod Voice usually comes announced with Mod Note: at the top, and always in red or orange color.

And I went on with it because there's a lot of threads on these boards, and I am a human, and can sometimes forget what got said where, and when. Mea culpa,

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I can understand there are serious reasons to untrust Hasbro. When you fail, you will need time to recover the lost trust. This happens here and everywhere.

But we should remember now Hasbro is not in its best economic moment, and this could mean to be acquired in the future by a bigger company. Do you want it? We can't know the possible changes in the game by order of that possible new owner. If this doesn't happen before, it is because it is a bad economic year for all the companies, and then it is not the best time for these to acquire other.

 

[ART!]

I think it's premature to write a post-mortem on this whole OGL debacle/kerfuffle/whatever.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think it's premature to write a post-mortem on this whole OGL debacle/kerfuffle/whatever.

Yeah once we know what they're intending to do with 1D&D's SRD (or lack thereof) we can at least think that maybe we're done "for now", but that is yet to be seen.

 

[Parmandur]

I think it's premature to write a post-mortem on this whole OGL debacle/kerfuffle/whatever.

I mean, the fat lady sang when the rules were put into CC. The rest is outro from the orchestra while the audience files out.

 

[Imaro]

I think it's premature to write a post-mortem on this whole OGL debacle/kerfuffle/whatever.

So what exactly determines when to "write a post-mortem"?

Yeah once we know what they're intending to do with 1D&D's SRD (or lack thereof) we can at least think that maybe we're done "for now", but that is yet to be seen.

Why does what they choose to do with the 1D&D SRD determine anything? WotC didn't make any promises around this?

 

[ART!]

So what exactly determines when to "write a post-mortem"?

I trust people to judge that for themselves.

I was just saying that to me it very much feels too early.