D&D 5E Planescape shows up in the wild. Tease from Chris Perkins.

[Maxperson]

2e Planescape on the left, 5e Spelljammer on the right. I really don't know how this myth keeps getting perpetuated...View attachment 295065

Edit. I see others have already stated this, but I'll leave it up as a visual reference just in case anyone else tries to make the claim.

The problem isn't the word count per page. The problem is the word count of actual setting material per book. 5e planejammer has about 8 pages of setting material in the entire setting book, 6 of which are 1 small city in 1 small corner of 1 small part of the setting. Compare that to 2e spelljammer with its tons of setting material.

 

[Maxperson]

So incomplete like the original
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The difference being that in 2e they followed up with very in depth products on all of the planes. 5e doesn't follow-up on releases. Still waiting for more than the sliver of the Forgotten Realms that they released 8 years ago. Not one additional setting book for the FR has been released since that time.

 

[dave2008]

The difference being that in 2e they followed up with very in depth products on all of the planes. 5e doesn't follow-up on releases. Still waiting for more than the sliver of the Forgotten Realms that they released 8 years ago. Not one additional setting book for the FR has been released since that time.

While I don't completely agree with your perspective, there has been lots of setting info for FR and VGtR followed CoS, I do get your point. Though they claim more setting info will be released. We will see.

Personally I don't need more setting info from WotC. Just a 5e intro and then I can get old stuff or new stuff on DMsGuild. I hardly think WotC design style matches my own, so it is no use waiting around for them anyway.

 

[Stormonu]

Personally, I gave up caring about D&D lore changes when TSR did the FR Avatar trilogy, and the whole Tanar'ri, Baatezu & Yugoloth thing. The came things like the stupid Shadow Rift and Death Unchained in Ravenloft. Blowing the established hell out of the campaign lore of Dark Sun at the end of the first adventure. Frickin' Greyhawk Wars. God help you if you were a fan of Dragonlance when they pulled the 5th age card, or even Dragons of Summer Flame came out.

These aren't just examples of TSR making changes to their own stuff, I'd actually was upset by the changes, retcons and alteration they made to what I'd taken the time to learn about these worlds, just to have them turned upside down and some "unbefore revealed secret or change" that invalidated swathes of what I'd come to know.

How many times has FR itself been scrubbed by a realms-shaking event?

 

[Parmandur]

Personally, I gave up caring about D&D lore changes when TSR did the FR Avatar trilogy, and the whole Tanar'ri, Baatezu & Yugoloth thing. The came things like the stupid Shadow Rift and Death Unchained in Ravenloft. Blowing the established hell out of the campaign lore of Dark Sun at the end of the first adventure. Frickin' Greyhawk Wars. God help you if you were a fan of Dragonlance when they pulled the 5th age card, or even Dragons of Summer Flame came out.

These aren't just examples of TSR making changes to their own stuff, I'd actually was upset by the changes, retcons and alteration they made to what I'd taken the time to learn about these worlds, just to have them turned upside down and some "unbefore revealed secret or change" that invalidated swathes of what I'd come to know.

How many times has FR itself been scrubbed by a realms-shaking event?

Yeah, the 2E era of aggressively advancing metaplot seems to have been way worse for inconsiderate and bewildering Setting changes.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Debt is stressful enough. Going into debt because your decent job is now basically paying garbage compared to cost of living and realizing there is very little you could have done to avoid it is…crushing.

I absolutely get why a lot of folks get mad at optimists. I just wish they’d admit that thier pessimism isn’t any less a bias than our optimism.

Excellent point. Honestly I'm normally an optimist, like Captain Dylan Hunt says, "Pessimism isn't a survival trait", I hadn't realized this year had beaten me down so much until this discussion. My cat Buddy died this year, a Dog I dog sit for named Cheemo died this year (she was really old), car broken down and my family had to buy a new one at the last minute, only to later discover it needed major repairs that will likely force me to almost max out both my credit cards, and I gained a ton of weight this year instead of losing it. On top of Greedflation. So after facing 2020, 2021, 2022, optimistically maybe I just burned out for alittle while.

BUT I made the time to go to Wonderland yesterday for Oktoberfest, and I'm trying to focus on what went right this year and future opportunities.

So thank you for reminding me about the power of optimism.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Excellent point. Honestly I'm normally an optimist, like Captain Dylan Hunt says, "Pessimism isn't a survival trait", I hadn't realized this year had beaten me down so much until this discussion. My cat Buddy died this year, a Dog I dog sit for named Cheemo died this year (she was really old), car broken down and my family had to buy a new one at the last minute, only to later discover it needed major repairs that will likely force me to almost max out both my credit cards, and I gained a ton of weight this year instead of losing it. On top of Greedflation. So after facing 2020, 2021, 2022, optimistically maybe I just burned out for alittle while.

BUT I made the time to go to Wonderland yesterday for Oktoberfest, and I'm trying to focus on what went right this year and future opportunities.

So thank you for reminding me about the power of optimism.

That is a service I am always happy to provide.

Good luck with the car situation (and everything else). I don’t suppose lemon laws apply in your situation?

 

[Henadic Theologian]

That is a service I am always happy to provide.

Good luck with the car situation (and everything else). I don’t suppose lemon laws apply in your situation?

Despite the repairs needed, it's actually a great car. It just needs the rack, power steering lines, and a couple things down (rear brakes and capillary just got done a couple weeks ago, but the really expensive part is the rack). Not really a car guy, so may have screwed some of this lingo up. Will still cost thousands, but once done, should last a long time hopefully. Plus automatic doors and air conditioning actually works in this van. Came with Extra winter tires. Bought it as is.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Btw heard online that 5e doesn't mention Olympus when discussing Arborea, but that not true, it's mentioned as Olympian Glades of Aborea in the section of the DMG that discusses the Gate Towns and where they lead in a table.

 

[Campbell]

On the cares about lore bit, I think there's a big difference between cares about lore generally and cares about lore circa 1997. There's certainly less of the latter, mostly because ~40% of the player base wasn't born by 1997. They're not attached to previous lore because they don't even know it. Hell, I'm about to turn 40 in another year and I started playing 1997.