D&D 5E Convince me that the Ranger is a necessary Class.

[Micah Sweet]

What does Wisdom measure?

Are you acknowledging their refutation of all your other examples, or just looking for one that better fits your argument?

 

[Remathilis]

Are you acknowledging their refutation of all your other examples, or just looking for one that better fits your argument?

Nah, I just didn't want to get into another hit point debate.

 

[Maxperson]

I feel the issue is that carry capacity is directly tied to strength rather than being influenced by it. The carry capacity should be set by size (small, medium, large) with adjustment made by race (powerful build) and strength rather than strength modified by size and race. That way, a Goliath carries more because he is larger (medium) and powerfully built rather than because he is stronger, which is a truer measure of carry capacity.

That also decouples strength from objective carry capacity, which puts it in line with the other scores being unmeasurable in real life.

If my human is 7' tall and 300 pounds, does he automatically get Powerful Build for having the same build as a Goliath?

 

[Maxperson]

Why? Why they have same capabilities? If the goliath is way bigger and stronger, why they do not also hit harder?

Andre the Giant could lift an amazing amount and hit like a ton of bricks. He didn't do a lick of strength training. He hit that hard due to his Powerful Build. Lifting, size and hitting harder are linked whether the folks here like it or not.

 

[Maxperson]

Because people get caught up in foolish notions that size equals strength. I used an example of Bruce Lee vs Arnold Schwarzenegger in a fight and Maxperson said objectively Arnold should be able to leverage his strength to match Lee's skill.

That's not at all what I said. I suggest you go back and re-read that post, because you have it waaaaaay wrong.

 

[Corinnguard]

If Arnold and Bruce were both Fighters, Arnold would be the Strength-based fighter while Bruce would be a Dexterity-based fighter. The two would approach fighting in two completely different ways.

 

[Remathilis]

If my human is 7' tall and 300 pounds, does he automatically get Powerful Build for having the same build as a Goliath?

Show me in the rules where height and weight matter.

In fact a 4'9, 90 pound elf and a 6'8, 270 lb half-orc currently have the same lift potential if their strength is both the same. I assume you think this is an error?

 

[Maxperson]

Show me in the rules where height and weight matter.

Take a look at Goliaths, Firbolgs and Loxodons and see if you can find the common denominator for the Powerful Build ability. See also POWERFUL BUILD. It's in the name.

In fact a 4'9, 90 pound elf and a 6'8, 270 lb half-orc currently have the same lift potential if their strength is both the same. I assume you think this is an error?

Yes it is, but the game isn't supposed to mirror real life exactly. That said, throwing any semblance of sense out the window and not giving the orcs a strength bonus is very bad.

 

[Corinnguard]

"Sure, you are strong, but do you know how to use that strength of yours?" A player in D&D could be the strongest, most agile, hardiest, intelligent, wisest or charismatic individual in the party simply because they rolled well and used the highest roll for a particular ability score. But it's how they role-play that ability in game that ought to matter more, right? How do you put it to use?

 

[Maxperson]

If Arnold and Bruce were both Fighters, Arnold would be the Strength-based fighter while Bruce would be a Dexterity-based fighter. The two would approach fighting in two completely different ways.

As I said to @Remathilis, if going by raw strength only, Arnold twists Bruce into a pretzel. Remalathis is conflating skill with strength. Bruce Lee has tremendous skill at leveraging his raw strength into lots of damage. In D&D terms he's a monk and does increased unarmed damage over Arnold. Arnold is still tons stronger than Bruce, but he does less damage because 1-2+5 is less than 1d8+2 x 4(flurry of blows).