D&D General What it means for a race to end up in the PHB, its has huge significance

[Hussar]

Mechanics matter to you. Who are the “some people “?

Again, the difference between a 2024 half elf and a 2014 half elf mechanically is two skills

 

[Frozen_Heart]

Again, the difference between a 2024 half elf and a 2014 half elf mechanically is two skills

As people have pointed out, the reason for the 2014 half elf being a boring bunch of nothing, is because 2014 humans were practically not a playable species. At least with half orcs they gave them a unique feature to make up for it.

Rather than deleting humans as a playable species, they actually went and made them interesting in 5.5e. Which would be no different to making half elves mechanically interesting.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Mechanics matter to you. Who are the “some people “?

Again, the difference between a 2024 half elf and a 2014 half elf mechanically is two skills

then IMPROVE the half-elf mechanical distinction, don't DELETE it

 

[Hussar]

As people have pointed out, the reason for the 2014 half elf being a boring bunch of nothing, is because 2014 humans were practically not a playable species. At least with half orcs they gave them a unique feature to make up for it.

Rather than deleting humans as a playable species, they actually went and made them interesting in 5.5e. Which would be no different to making half elves mechanically interesting.

Because the updated human is so different? Yay you get advantage on a die roll once per long rest. Because nothing says human like a bit of luck?

That’s your bar for interesting?

Yeah, again I’m really not seeing the need for this level of angst.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

Because the updated human is so different? Yay you get advantage on a die roll once per long rest. Because nothing says human like a bit of luck?

That’s your bar for interesting?

Yeah, again I’m really not seeing the need for this level of angst.

Inspiration on long rest + prog in a skill + a 1st level feat.

vs

A language choice (which everyone gets in tashas onwards), and ASI (moved to background).

Are you seriously suggesting there is no difference there?

 

[Mecheon]

then IMPROVE the half-elf mechanical distinction, don't DELETE it

If anything has to go to make room for new stuff though, half elf kind of is the easy option. We already have humans, we already have elves, the two of them mxied together shouldn't be taking up the same real estate as "Popular fantasy archetype, the orc" or "Dragon person"

 

[Parmandur]

Because the updated human is so different? Yay you get advantage on a die roll once per long rest. Because nothing says human like a bit of luck?

That’s your bar for interesting?

Yeah, again I’m really not seeing the need for this level of angst.

The new Human gets two Feats at first instead of one, which opens up some interesting possibilities not available to any other Species.

Like for instance, if they ever do "Species Heritage Feats" (which might be dicey), the Human with Elf Heritage an still get a Bavkgroybd Feat, whie the Dwarf with Elven Hetitage would have that basically be their whole Background.

Which may be a case against Species Heritage Feats.

 

[Parmandur]

Inspiration on long rest + prog in a skill + a 1st level feat.

vs

A language choice (which everyone gets in tashas onwards), and ASI (moved to background).

Are you seriously suggesting there is no difference there?

The standard Human got three ASIs instead of one and a half plus some abiities that equal a Feat and a Half, which makes them equal to the other options.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

If anything has to go to make room for new stuff though, half elf kind of is the easy option. We already have humans, we already have elves, the two of them mxied together shouldn't be taking up the same real estate as "Popular fantasy archetype, the orc" or "Dragon person"

thb i'm with you there. I'd rather have orc, goliath, and aasimar than half-elf and half-orc in the PHB.

But I'm against the outright removal of those two species and the insinuation that deleting them directly adds more content. WotC is so far going through deleting existing hybrid characters from lore too, not just mechanically, like them even existing is somehow racist.

 

[Hussar]

thb i'm with you there. I'd rather have orc, goliath, and aasimar than half-elf and half-orc in the PHB.

But I'm against the outright removal of those two species and the insinuation that deleting them directly adds more content. WotC is so far going through deleting existing hybrid characters from lore too, not just mechanically, like them even existing is somehow racist.

I’d say it’s a bit early days to make that proclamation.