D&D (2024) What does the new DMG say about gods?

[Henadic Theologian]

So he was on level Dead Three are in5e Forgotten Realms?

No the Dead Three are full Gods, but they left behind alot of their power to walk the mortal realm, same with Auriel, but beat them and they go home to assume their full Godhood again. The Demigod form is just them slumming it with mortals.

 

[Voadam]

Wait, so quasi deities can now grant spells whereas before in 2014 they explicitly could not?

So you could now be a cleric of Murlynd?

I should rephrase that for the 24 paradigm since gods now create clerics with a non revocable gift of empowerment like creating a magic item.

Can quasi deities in 24 have clerics now?

 

[pukunui]

Yet even in real life, people pray to saints as well.

Exactly. In D&D terms, saints are essentially lesser deities. People pray to them and receive miracles (aka cleric spells) from them.

In the Forgotten Realms didn’t he do some plot in 3e to 4e where he became a full god?

Yes, he killed one of the duergar gods and took their power, while continuing to masquerade as that god. I can’t remember which god it was.

Wait, so quasi deities can now grant spells whereas before in 2014 they explicitly could not?

So you could now be a cleric of Murlynd?

No. It says quasi-deities don’t answer prayers.

Since when is Kyuss a god, wasn't the whole point of him that his ascension failed?

He’s not. He’s a quasi-deity (aka ‘a god-like being’).

 

[Azzy]

I think the section on Infernal Hierarchy in the 2024 DMG states that he has the power of a lesser god, but I only glanced at it.

Interesting. That's what he was in 1e.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Exactly. In D&D terms, saints are essentially lesser deities. People pray to them and receive miracles (aka cleric spells) from them.


Yes, he killed one of the duergar gods and took their power, while continuing to masquerade as that god. I can’t remember which god it was.


No. It says quasi-deities don’t answer prayers.


He’s not. He’s a quasi-deity (aka ‘a god-like being’).

From the Brimstone Angels Saga

Spoiler

No he killed and ate Azoth, God of Wizards and Mystra's underling who she couldn't protect when she was dead. Turned out Azoth was a temperamental meal, and drove Asmodeus insane, so via Fariah and Havilar and a third guy, a chosen of Azoth, Asmodeus made a deal with Untheric head God (and now Dragonborn God too) Enlil, bring his buddy the God Nanna Sin back to life and Nanna Sin would give his divine Spark to Asmodeus (Nanna Sin would survive as I guess a Quasi Deity who joined himself to a Dragon Turtle making it Immortal (Ancient Dragon Turtle stat I guess), and Asmodeus to spit out Azoth who in return would stop possessing Asmodeus and making him do weird undevil like stuff. For a time Farideh was a host/avatar for Asmodeus, Havilar for Nanna Sin, the Chosen if Azoth for Azoth temporarily for the process.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

What are the divine ranks? Is it just God, lesser God, Quasi Deity again, or is it more like the old school Greater God, Intermediate God, Lesser God, Demigod, Quasi Deity?

A correction, Greater, Lesser and Quasi was the old school way. Intermediate came later.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Well Quasi Deities can recieve or hear prayers, so I'm not sure how that would work, but since it only has to be granted once I suppose you go visit the Quasi Deity in person, but this has weird implications.

Here is the list of Titans creatures in 5e

1. Empyreans, kid of a God or 2, so I can see that making sense.

2. Kraken, weirder, but Kraken cults are not unheard of and they do create a kind of divine spellcaster so it could work

3. Atropal aborted God or something, weirder still, but it still makes sense

4. Tarrasque, mentioned in the past as having some worshippers

5. This one is the really weirdest one, Astral Dreadnaught, I find the idea of worshiping one till it ascends to God hood funny and the idea of someone some how becoming a Cleric of a random Astral Dreadnaught funnier.

Titans are explicitly the divine creations of Gods. They don't need worshipers to be what they are.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

The 2014 definitions for comparison.

Greater deities are beyond mortal understanding. They can’t be summoned, and they are almost always removed from direct involvement in mortal affairs. On very rare occasions they manifest avatars similar to lesser deities, but slaying a greater god’s avatar has no effect on the god itself.

Lesser deities are embodied somewhere in the planes. Some lesser deities live in the Material Plane, as does the unicorn-goddess Lurue of the Forgotten Realms and the titanic shark-god Sekolah revered by the sahuagin. Others live on the Outer Planes, as Lolth does in the Abyss. Such deities can be encountered by mortals.

 

[Voadam]

Titans are explicitly the divine creations of Gods. They don't need worshipers to be what they are.

Does it say gods need worshipers and not just be born from other gods like Ares being Zeus’s son or being existing things in the world cosmology?

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Does it say gods need worshipers and not just be born from other gods like Ares being Zeus’s son or being existing things in the world cosmology?

Ares would need worshipers in D&D to move beyond being an Quasi Deity.