Hypothetical Spiderman 3 villain

Desdichado · Jun 9, 2004

Umbran said:
I disagree. The X-movies have been fun, but they are profoundly ensemble pieces wherein the majority of the characters are profoundly flat. By comparison, the character development is pread wafer thin in the X-movies. If the human issues were the primary focus, they would not have left two-thirds of the classic love triangle without any notable depth of personality. As far as I can see, across two movies, the only character to have shown signs of change in response to events has been Magneto. Everyone else is, as best we can tell given only small amounts of information, the same people they were before the events of the first movie.

Sure, the classic love triangle isn't well explored. But Rogue is certainly well developed as a character. The human angle with her boyfriend and his family was well handled. Heck, even Pyro had a significant and believable development as a character. Wolverine, as the nominal "star" of the ensemble piece did as well. Both Magneto and Xavier's characters have been explored to a fair degree, and Magneto is still probably the most interesting comic book movie villain I've ever seen.

So yeah, not all characters were equally developed, nor all potential relationship angles. But I'd disagree that the X-movies were merely action movies with flat characters.

Also, there are two ways of seeing character development; the showing of actual change in the characters vs. the development of the depth of character that presumably the character always have but the viewers aren't aware of initially. The X-movies have both for several characters.

Tangent Loki · Jun 9, 2004

What about Morpheus? I always though as a villian he had so much more character. In my opinion he could be one of the following movie villains because he has the power to be a full-blown leading character he can easily hold attention for an entire movie, and they don't necessarily need to kill him at the ned, Plus besides that he could allow an introduction of Felicia into the story. I also like the Lizard, he is another character I want them to use. He's another charcter who is more than just a villan. And green goblin/hobgoblin (because they've set that up) and I think I would like to see venom/carnage because the CG would be awsome and of course I have a penchant to see the manaical "shapshifter" go nuts.

But in my opinion we need morpheus.

WizarDru · Jun 9, 2004

Joshua Dyal said:
Batman is the example of doing that badly, but X-Men is the counter example. A profoundly ensemble piece with several heroes and villains both, and new ones in the second chapter (and presumably again the third) but which still concentrates on the human issues of a handful of core characters.

I don't know. X-2 really walks a balancing act, and when you get right down to it, it's primarily a film about Wolverine and somewhat about Iceman, more than anyone else. I mean,yes, there are lots of characters, but only a few get a lot of development, per se. We accept that we don't get a lot of characterization from Scott or Jean in X-2 because the movie is about a group (or, more accurately, about a conflict)...but Spiderman is about one character, really.

I think they could do a movie with multiple villains, but it involves walking a very fine line. The first Spiderman worked so well because it focused on the core concept of the character: geeky teen becomes a superhero, and finds that it's not really the bed of roses he expected.

I've never like Venom, personally, and consider Carnage an attempt to Out-Venom Venom. A character like the Lizard or Craven has excellent potential to emphasize the conflict of peter's normal life with his secret one.

Here's a name I haven't seen mentioned, yet: Morbius. He could be a lot of fun, too.

NOTE: It took me three hours to write this e-mail. Not because I'm a slow typist, but because I stumble across SpiderFan while checking something, and completely forgot about the open window with the post. Damn, that's a good site.

WizarDru · Jun 9, 2004

AFGNCAAP said:
Then again, IMHO it'd be a bit refreshing for Spidey to face a villain who never learns his secret identity--that was one of the big things that got old with me in the Batman franchise.

Well, then they better not follow the comics too closely....about fifty people seem to learn Spidey's identity over the course of the years. Mostly his enemies. Frankly, for a guy who took on a secret identity to protect his loved ones, he does a pretty lousy job.

Of course, half of them end up dying, going insane, reverting to their normal personas or having selective amnesia....so I guess it's not as bad as all that.

snarfoogle · Jun 10, 2004

First off, I think the Lizard is big enough to get his own movie, that's one.

Next, of course Venom is in. That's two.

There also must be a final showdown with Green Goblin 2/Hobgoblin. Three.

As for the last movie... anyone remember in the 1994 cartoon when Spider-Man got turned into a man-spider? That was like, 14 episodes long. I think this should be a movie. Anyone else agree?

Silver Moon · Jun 10, 2004

Well gee, for a Spiderman #3 film I'm really hoping that they will use Marvel Team-Up #137 as the shooting script. That was the one where Aunt May becomes the next herald of Galactus. Peter Parker only had a small cameo in that issue but young Franklin Richards played a major part.

Alaric_Prympax · Jun 10, 2004

Here's a couple of things I heard/read ( IIRC at www.superherohype.com ) about quite while back:

1. Toby and Kirsten originally signed 3 movie deals so I believe that we'll see at least SM3, my choice of villian would be the Lizard since he was mentioned in SM1 there is already a connection with Peter Parker. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Harry as GG2, but Sam Raimi (who also has at least a 3 movie deal if not 4 movie deal) isn't your usual director who would bring back such an obvious villian.

2. I heard that Sony and Marvel agreed to a 7 movie deal. I hadn't heard of 6 movies. I know that they had a law suit about IIRC how the movie, toy, game, ect profits were to be divided between them. Now it's possible that their agreement then called for a reduction of movies to 6 but I haven't seen that before.

Impeesa · Jun 10, 2004

My girlfriend and I were talking about this not too long ago.. our money's on Lizard (and possibly the symbiote) for #3, setting up for Venom in #4. Venom's a fan favorite, but he requires quite a bit of setup (symbiote, Eddie Brock's rivalry, etc), and I can't see them putting that off much longer.

--Impeesa--

DarkSoldier · Jun 10, 2004

The best way I can think of to do multiple villains in a single movie is to start it off with Spider-Man battling the minor villain (Shocker, Rhino, etc.), beat him, and then set up the arrival of the main villain.

Tarrasque Wrangler · Jun 10, 2004

Joshua Dyal said:
Assuming Spiderman 2 will be as successful as Spiderman, or at least successful enough to warrant a sequel (which is a pretty good assumption, I believe) then which villains would you like to see as the main bad guys?

Hypno-Hustler. Definitely the Hypno-Hustler.

Seriously though, if Kraven could be done non-cheesy (might have to change his old costume), I could see that.

I would love to see Venom done right.

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