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Dungeoncraft article: Shifters in MM, deities mentioned

Kesh

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Paraxis said:
Let's list all the confirmed facts that this article gives us about 4E.

> Only 7 races in the PHB; human, elf, dwarf, halfling, half-elf, tiefling, and eladrin.

Actually, they've stated that there will be "between 8 and 12 races" in the PHB, with most hints leaning towards 8. And I do believe there was mention that at least one of the races would be held back as a surprise until the preview products were released.
 

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DarkWhite

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mhensley said:
A very good article and it shows the main problem with tieflings- they don't fit into vanilla D&D settings very well.
Perhaps not vanilla D&D settings, but how many campaigns are vanilla settings nowadays? I can think of several published settings where Tieflings are a core race, though they're often known by other names - Living Arcanis where Dark-kin are a popular choice; and Dark Legacies (Hybrids) - and several others where they wouldn't seem out of place, including Forgotten Realms and Eberron. Before anyone screams "argh, but not in my [insert campaign here]", how commonplace is the Demonic template among minis and published adventures? If Gnoll archers can be demonic, then surely Tieflings can't be far away?

Tieflings are relatively easy to introduce into a setting, via Demonic invasion, or maybe they've always been hiding amongst human society, but only recently been "outed".

If you don't like Tieflings in your campaign, then leave them out. Yeah, I know, they're taking up space in the PHB that could have been used for [insert cool race here] - but wasn't that always the case with Gnomes anyway?

To be fair, Wyatt didn't claim Tieflings didn't fit into his world, only that they didn't fit into his backwater village of Greenbrier.
James Wyatt said:
I like the tiefling race presented in the new Player's Handbook, but I don't see them fitting in to Greenbrier. I think I'll tell my players not to make a tiefling right out of the gate -- as the campaign goes on, perhaps they'll have the opportunity to bring in a tiefling to replace a dead character, once they've moved into more cosmopolitan areas.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots

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DarkWhite said:
Yeah, I know, they're taking up space in the PHB that could have been used for [insert cool race here] - but wasn't that always the case with Gnomes anyway?
I've got two gnomes in my Midwood campaign, and play a gnome in a Ptolus game. They outnumber the tieflings 3-0 as a result. (And half-elves, half-orcs and halflings, too, for that matter.)
 
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Perun

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Klaus said:
Not really.

When comparing proportions, you must adjust all heads to the same size of one dimension (in this case, width). What the (very nice) grid shows us is that if humans, elves and half-elves had heads of equal width, elven heads would be longer and more angular.

You're right, I suppose. Unless they were trying to discreetly inform us that elves will be of greater then human height in 4e :D

Here's the line-up I did with faces scaled to match the human one.

Regards.
 

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Knight Otu

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Kesh said:
Actually, they've stated that there will be "between 8 and 12 races" in the PHB, with most hints leaning towards 8.
That was the word on classes before the confirmation on the number 8. I do not believe any such hint existed for races - I believe there was only a mention that one race would not make the PHB cut. There is, to my knowledge, no set number we know how many races there are in the PHB, and as a result, we cannot confirm any number, whether 7, 12, or any other, as being the number until we are told, and this article does not really qualify. It helps to confirm races to be in the PHB, but not how many.
 

Perun said:
You're right, I suppose. Unless they were trying to discreetly inform us that elves will be of greater then human height in 4e :D

Here's the line-up I did with faces scaled to match the human one.

Regards.
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Too anime. Where's the noses on those ladies, anyway?
 

Klaus

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Hobo said:
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Too anime. Where's the noses on those ladies, anyway?
In YO MOMMA!

:D

Seriously now, it is a common art technique to use as few lines as possible to portray a female's nose, since too many lines can make a face seem old.

Frank Cho uses few lines.

Nicola Scott (who's a woman and hot) draws some of the best female noses about (and everything else, actually).
 

Yeah, I know, I know; I was just being silly.

Although honestly, I don't like that look. At least suggest some shadow on one side. This isn't a stylized drawing, it's a realistic one, and realistically, it looks like those ladies don't have noses.

Of course the sketch lines don't help, as they break the face into blocks and make it more noticable.
 

Lonely Tylenol

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Hobo said:
Yeah, I know, I know; I was just being silly.

Although honestly, I don't like that look. At least suggest some shadow on one side. This isn't a stylized drawing, it's a realistic one, and realistically, it looks like those ladies don't have noses.
Or, like they're being lit from directly above, and slightly forward.
 

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