Female Dragonborn - No longer have breasts?

Wait. Are Boobholders really female?

ProfessorCirno said:

While the "unrealism" bit is part of the big complaint against dragonborn breasts, I think the crux of the argument is "It's unimaginative, sloppy, lazy, and panders to the lowest common denominator, and if we wanted that, we'd play FATAL."

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Quoted for truth. Furthermore, reptilian things looking somewhat reptilian instead of exactly like humans with scales and a tail grafted on strains my sense of disbelief less. But the real issue is that they're pandering to the lowest common denominator rather than showing imagination or logic.

ProfessorCirno said:

You could even - and I know this is CRAZY talk here - make them a matriarchal society that isn't horribly twisted and evil.

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Did you read Raptor Red last week too? And I like the idea of splendidly-colored males, although it doesn't entirely click with a matriarchal society. One out of two would still be better than what Wizards has come up with, though!

And yes, all beholders are female by definition, as they produce young. Why do you think their deity is called the Great Mother?

Quenditar said:

Did you read Raptor Red last week too? And I like the idea of splendidly-colored males, although it doesn't entirely click with a matriarchal society. One out of two would still be better than what Wizards has come up with, though!

And yes, all beholders are female by definition, as they produce young. Why do you think their deity is called the Great Mother?

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Heh, never even heard of Raptor Red. I just have far more semi-useless knowledge then is good for me, and my mind tends to make some very abstract and odd connections. It's what happens when you spend too much time under a lake doing nothing much.

A note on the splendidly-colored males, is I think it would work *wonderfully* in a matriarchal society. The males are going to be trying to do everything they can to get that edge over the others - they want to prove to the females for both breeding and social reasons that they're bigger, stronger, and slightly more painful on the eyes then the others out there. It's not that far of a cry from real life either; take many of the south eastern Native American tribes in the US, who were at least vaugely similar.

Raptor Red is a nice little book, I recommend it for those who are aware that it is a compilation of educated guesses.

Watch out for those jerks in yellow, ladies, they just want you for your haunches.

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The really fun part about the whole "colorful male" thing is if you adjust their behavior as well.

"Why sir dwarf, your dragonman friend is a flaming dandy."

"Aye lad, and he's got more hatchlings wandering around than I have hairs in me beard."

Whenever I want to enlighten someone as to the perils of thinking too hard about fantasy, I'll just have to point them to threads like these.

However....

DandD said:

Wait. Are Boobholders really female?

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Now I REALLY want a boobholder for my car. Why don't cars come with boobholders? Great multinational manufacturing corporations, hear my plea!

I think Dragonborn are a great player race, stat- and ability-wise, but I can't look at them without shooting whatever I happen to be drinking out of my nose every single time because I think they're utterly ridiculous and hilarious. I had to change them visually for my Eberron campaign in order to be able to deal with them. I went with more of a "dragon man" approach than the original WotC-style dragonborn, which I think of as being a big guy wearing a gigantic silly foam-rubber Godzilla/T-Rex mask that he's looking out of the mouth of (no bite attack?!). I particularly enjoy imagining the top part of the Godzilla mask flopping and bouncing around, making the mouth open and close boingily as the guy tries to see out of the mouth while stumbling excitedly into battle.

Anyway, they simply needed to conform to more of a human template - like most of the other races - for me to feel like there was any verisimilitude at work. Admittedly, my design (the green-hued one in color) is a little more Star Trekky than the original, but an artist going for a more dynamic presentation can get this style of dragonborn looking pretty sweet as you can see in my buddy Keith's blue line drawing. His take on the actual body is a little more humanlike than I imagine them, but i think it looks really cool overall. My players seem happy with this approach.

And they don't have sweaterpuppies.

After the rise in thread Necromancy, I hope that there is never again a Necromancer in any edition of D&D. I mean, obviously they're a bad influence.

twilsemail said:

After the rise in thread Necromancy, I hope that there is never again a Necromancer in any edition of D&D. I mean, obviously they're a bad influence.

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As villain NPCs, necromancers are great. Let's keep those.

As player characters, not so much. They're not only a bad influence, they're also an evil influence. Generally, the PCs aren't supposed to be evil, so leaving necromancy solely in the DM's purview should be enough, I think.

Quenditar said:

Did you read Raptor Red last week too? And I like the idea of splendidly-colored males, although it doesn't entirely click with a matriarchal society. One out of two would still be better than what Wizards has come up with, though!

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Male advertising isn't so much to do with who dominates the society, it's to do with the potential each sex has to produce young. The female potential to produce young is pretty much static, each individual can produce X young per period time. The male potential is unlimited, but depends entirely on finding mates. Males go to extremes to advertise, and bright coloration is an example of this. Successful advertising can dramatically increase the reproduction for a male, but not for a female.

After reading this thread its painfully obvious that a majority of you never read or have forgotten about the Ecology of the Dragonborn article.