D&D 5E Being strong and skilled is a magic of its own or, how I learned to stop worrying and love anime fightin' magic

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
The flashes of light people saw from a distance (why is it always so obscure when Gandalf casts a spell) were not fireballs because middle earth is not The Forgotten Realms. Tolkien was not assuming D&D type magic.
No. Really they were probably lightning bolts, which Gandalf cast a few of in the Hobbit. Aragorn when he saw them thought they were flashes like lightning.
Gandalf wasn't a D&D style wizard. As far as we know from what we were given in the books he just had a good fireworks provider and was using bottle rockets.
He clearly cast lightning bolts against the goblins. Bilbo saw flashes like lightning and smelled ozone(what you smell after a lightning strike) and then several goblins fell dead. Later he saw more flashes and more goblins died. I can't remember if Gandalf cast two or three lightning bolts.
 

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Oofta

Legend
No. Really they were probably lightning bolts, which Gandalf cast a few of in the Hobbit. Aragorn when he saw them thought they were flashes like lightning.

He clearly cast lightning bolts against the goblins. Bilbo saw flashes like lightning and smelled ozone(what you smell after a lightning strike) and then several goblins fell dead. Later he saw more flashes and more goblins died. I can't remember if Gandalf cast two or three lightning bolts.
Well, we don't really know, do we? Assuming he called down lightning from the sky, can he only under certain circumstances? Is it something that can be recharged or is there some other cost?

For the goblins, I'll have to take your word for it. It's been too long since I read it. But there's also a difference between The Hobbit and LOTR trilogy. The former is primarily a fairy tale, the latter an allegory for the world wars. At least that's how I read it.
 


Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
No. Really they were probably lightning bolts, which Gandalf cast a few of in the Hobbit. Aragorn when he saw them thought they were flashes like lightning.
He clearly cast lightning bolts against the goblins. Bilbo saw flashes like lightning and smelled ozone(what you smell after a lightning strike) and then several goblins fell dead. Later he saw more flashes and more goblins died. I can't remember if Gandalf cast two or three lightning bolts.
I was going to mention that... and that acorn that burst into flames at the wolves inspiration for a fireball?
 



Gandalf was a politician and a bit of a charlatan that (in the books) didn't do much magic that could be verified by anyone else. Sure he theoretically did a lot of things off-screen, but that's assuming he's a trustworthy narrator. He had some flash-bangs that scared off goblins. He had a fast horse and a way of convincing people to do what he wanted. He had a staff that he broke as a one-time thing to bring down a bridge. The fight with the Balor? Who knows what really happened or if Gandalf's version is at all accurate?

But for the most part? When things really got rough, someone else took all the risks. He was good at talking people into doing incredibly stupid and risky things like sending a hobbit along with a small group of dwarves off to face a dragon that had absolutely no chance of success. Merry and Pippin working with the Ents? Gandalf took all the credit even though he had nothing to do with it. Minas Tirith? He kept talking about how any moment now he was going to let loose and everyone needed to watch out! But then he never actually did anything.

But I think Gandalf being a politician was kind of the point. Frodo was the every-man commoner summoned to go to war while the politicians moved them around like pawns on a chess board.

P.S. Yes, I know in the background books he's a malar(sp?) and all that fun stuff. I'm talking about the impression I got from reading The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy when I was young.
So you're saying he's not a Wizard but a Warlord???
 

CreamCloud0

One day, I hope to actually play DnD.
Although it’s fine debating what book gandalf was said to achieve most people here i think tend to be referring to the movie version when they discuss what he was shown to be capable of so saying X Y and Z happened in the books doesn’t especially help much.

I wonder, if you went through the LotR movies, what each and every instance of gandalf using magic would be in terms of the closest DnD spell,
Intimidating bilbo at the start of fellowship? Well that’s thaumaturgy, with maybe a minor illusion on top
Sending the moth to call the eagles to rescue him from saruman’s tower? Easily Animal messenger
Defending/destroying the bridge in moria? Thunderwave perhaps? Shatter?
Calling shadowfax? Summon steed
 


Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
The mythic theme is a means to an end .... its one narrative that enables non-casters to be as badass as the 5e Wizard. A Fated Wielder like King Arthur and Elric of Melnibone is another narrative.

mythic archetypes at least have been woven this is from the Dragonlords of the Odyssey... and WOTC did some for their greco-roman themed book


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I would like to point out how narrow and specific these "feats of strength" are compared to giving someone a girdle of giant strength they are both good for the flavor and bad because they are not iMHO backed up broadly enough Level Up to the rescue? in Level Up Soldiering Knacks for a fighter
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The strength based Archery might be generalized thing like a fighting style? because Herakles and Odysseus both.

So you're saying he's not a Wizard but a Warlord???
Warlords Warlords Everywhere...
 

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