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CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I know that the law is complicated and not everyone is well-versed in it, but the word "censorship" really trips people up.
If I walk into a restaurant and start shouting about, I dunno, the war on jigsaw puzzles or something, and the restaurant staff kicks me out? I'm not being "censored" and my "right to free speech" isn't being impinged upon. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door. This is pretty straightforward, I don't understand how people get confused about that.
And if I make brownies for a local bake sale, and the program coordinator requires me to list the ingredients in my brownies so that consumers can make informed decisions about allergies and dietary requirements, and I refuse to comply, and they ask me to take my brownies elsewhere? I'm not being "censored" and my creative expression or whatever isn't being squashed. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door.
And if I write a book, and the publisher decides to put a content warning on the label saying "Parental Advisory: Strong Language, Antiquated Ideas About Gender and Race" or whatever on the cover? Who cares, I'm still getting paid. But suppose I do care, and I care so much that I make such a fuss on the internet that the publisher drops me and my product? I'm still not being "censored," my rights still aren't being violated, and my creativity still isn't being suppressed. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door.
TL;DR: before you cry "censorship!" on the Internet and make yourself look foolish, ask yourself: "Am I really being censored? or am I acting like a jerk and they're showing me the door?"
If I walk into a restaurant and start shouting about, I dunno, the war on jigsaw puzzles or something, and the restaurant staff kicks me out? I'm not being "censored" and my "right to free speech" isn't being impinged upon. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door. This is pretty straightforward, I don't understand how people get confused about that.
And if I make brownies for a local bake sale, and the program coordinator requires me to list the ingredients in my brownies so that consumers can make informed decisions about allergies and dietary requirements, and I refuse to comply, and they ask me to take my brownies elsewhere? I'm not being "censored" and my creative expression or whatever isn't being squashed. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door.
And if I write a book, and the publisher decides to put a content warning on the label saying "Parental Advisory: Strong Language, Antiquated Ideas About Gender and Race" or whatever on the cover? Who cares, I'm still getting paid. But suppose I do care, and I care so much that I make such a fuss on the internet that the publisher drops me and my product? I'm still not being "censored," my rights still aren't being violated, and my creativity still isn't being suppressed. I'm just acting like a jerk, and they are showing me the door.
TL;DR: before you cry "censorship!" on the Internet and make yourself look foolish, ask yourself: "Am I really being censored? or am I acting like a jerk and they're showing me the door?"
One can have other issues with content warnings, as applied to like novels (I do) but I agree they're not censorship.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
It's true. I know people who object to the proposed laws that would require GMOs to be listed on ingredient labels, because they grow GMO crops and they worry those laws would impact their sales. I understand the concern, but it's not censorship.
Sure, but one can even have objections to content warnings that have (at least almost) nothing to do with one's livelihood. (And there's a difference between mandatory and voluntary that your GMO example seems to skim past.)
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I get that. But are they censorship?
trappedslider
Legend
My new favorite screenshot from starfield
I don't think mandatory content labels are censorship, no. I can see someone being worried about the effects on their livelihood, but they're not censorship.
Snarf Zagyg
Notorious Liquefactionist
Weirdly, I just had to teach a crash course in First Amendment principles to a bunch of high schoolers.
The issue that sparked the most discussion was "state action," - in other words, what is necessary to trigger the First Amendment.
(Well, that was the second most-discussed part. The first most discussed part was when I introduced the text ..."Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ..." and had to explain that it was all a lie. By "Congress" it doesn't mean "Congress" and by "no law" it doesn't mean "no law" and by "speech" it doesn't mean "speech" ... which was kind of funny for the literal-minded.)
As an aside, re: questions regarding laws re: GMO disclosures and the like ... I suppose it depends on how you define censorship, but yes, compelled speech is also a FA concern; it's just that the standards for compelled speech in commercial contexts is different.
MarkB
Legend
I've pretty much stopped playing the game (especially now that Spider-man 2 is out) but this was my attempt to push the boundaries of good sense (and good taste) in the starship builder.My new favorite screenshot from starfield
I walked through it once from landing bay to cockpit, just to prove it could be done.
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