D&D (2024) Things You Think Would Improve the Game That We WON'T See

UngeheuerLich said:

You are still mixing up logic.
Popularity is not the design goal. Popularity is what you get if you follow good design principles.

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UngeheuerLich said:

For your information it is "KISS => highest level of user acceptance and interaction". As you can read in the article I linked to.
And "highest level of user acceptance and interaction => easier time of gaining popularity".

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Stalker0 said:

I mean sure if you move all of the things a stat does to other things than yeah that stat wouldn’t matter.

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Horwath said:

true, but CON is just so easy to remove because no one actually cares for CON.
There are no skills tied to it, you get to roll a CON save here and there and HP bonus is a passive once per level thing.

we always use point buy,
we have had STR, DEX, INT, WIS and CHA from 8 to 20 in various combinations on various PCs, but CON is:
14,14,14,14,14,14,12?!,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,16!??!,14,14,14,14........

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Lanefan said:

Popularity is what you get if you have a good PR department. Good design often has little or nothing to do with it.

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Lanefan said:

If the simple = popular equation actually held true, everybody would be using Apple products.

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Lanefan said:

But that's not the case; as (for computers and phones, anyway) Apple have for ages been stuck at about a 10-15% market share.

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Lanefan said:

And why is that? Monetary cost aside, it's because that simplicity comes at another price: a loss of control over how the product functions. The user has to bend to suit the product (and accept being locked in a closed ecosystem), rather than being able to make the product adapt to the user's needs (sometimes via 3rd-party add-ons).

The same applies to RPG design. A rule-set made up of numerous discrete subsystems is far easier for a DM to kitbash into what she wants it to be than is a rule-set that hinges on just one or two unified mechanics; because a discrete subsystem can be changed (or, sometimes, eliminated) without affecting too much of the rest of the game while changing a unified mechanic affects the whole game rather than just what you want it to affect.

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UngeheuerLich said:

You are still mixing up logic.
Popularity is not the design goal. Popularity is what you get if you follow good design principles.

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Horwath said:

true, but CON is just so easy to remove because no one actually cares for CON.
There are no skills tied to it, you get to roll a CON save here and there and HP bonus is a passive once per level thing.

we always use point buy,
we have had STR, DEX, INT, WIS and CHA from 8 to 20 in various combinations on various PCs, but CON is:
14,14,14,14,14,14,12?!,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,16!??!,14,14,14,14........

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Micah Sweet said:

See, we never use point buy. Maybe that's where this all comes from.

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Horwath said:

even so. if you roll, you will never use highest or lowest roll for CON or even second lowest.

same for default array:

15+2 primary
14 and 13+1 secondary and CON
12,10,8 arrange how you see it best represents your character.

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Stalker0 said:

All else being equal simplicity of use is better design. Now we can argue reduction of options (which I think some are when they use the term simplicity), but I hope no one would argue that a rules set that is intuitive and easy to utilize is not preferable from sets that obfuscate. Next thing people will argue the 5e index is a feature!

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