D&D 4E 4e Battle Tactic: Murder by Pinball

[Slaved]

Forced movement disregards all kinds of difficult terrain.

It would not take any extra squares of movement to push someone into a wall of fire. They would, however, get to save before entering the fire.

-O

What Difficult Terrain? The Extra Movement Cost is for entering the Wall of Fire and is not the Difficult Terrain Extra Movement Cost.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Forced movement disregards all kinds of difficult terrain.

It would not take any extra squares of movement to push someone into a wall of fire. They would, however, get to save before entering the fire.

Wall of Fire isn't difficult terrain, though. It's simply a note that it costs extra movement to enter: "Entering a square occupied by the wall costs 3
extra squares of movement." Other powers use the phrasing "considered difficult terrain" or "treated as difficult terrain"; Wall of Fire doesn't.

-Hyp.

 

[Bill Bisco]

Point 1: All 3 GMs I play with, including myself, rule that it's only the first time entering the zone per turn, not each square that you move through, that deals the damage.

We're discussing the rules of 4th edition, not the houserules of your group. Please stick on topic. Thank you.

 

[Bill Bisco]

Originally Posted by DMG-p44
"Targets of forced movement in hindering terrain (pits, precipices, fire) can avoid plunging into a pit or over the edge of a cliff or being pushed into a raging fire. The creature makes a saving throw rolled immediately before entering the unsafe square, with success leaving the creature prone...."

A Wall of Fire is not hindering terrain because the power does not specify it as such. So, no saving throw.

 

[Arbitrary]

A Wall of Fire is not hindering terrain because the power does not specify it as such. So, no saving throw.
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DMG, page 44, page 61, open the book, read the pages.

Hindering terrain is not a keyword and it doesn't even exist as a term of any kind in the PHB.

 

[Hypersmurf]

We're discussing the rules of 4th edition, not the houserules of your group. Please stick on topic. Thank you.

Please read Morrus' post here. And don't do it again.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[James McMurray]

It works even better when you add Blood Pulse to the mix. Our paragon level group tore some undead apart thanks to turn undead and blood pulse.

 

[Andor]

The real trick is to use that tactic without singing 'Pinball Wizard.'

 

[Danceofmasks]

I thought this thread was about a party of MC warlocks that power-swapped for minions of malbolge.
Especially if there's an actual stealth feylock to start the bounces.
Ping-ping-ping-ping-ping-into the tendrils!
Now let's try that with the next guy!

 

[Runestar]

You mean something like this?