D&D 5E 5e witches, your preferred implementation?

[Flamestrike]

What is the female equivalent of "warlock"?

According to the Merriam Dictionary, Warlock is the equivalent to a witch.

Also, the e-Study Guide for Rock and Roll: A Social History by Paul Friedlander traces the word back to an Old English origin where the word meant "oathbreaker" or "deceiver", but Early Modern Scots popularized a new meaning of the word which was the male equivalent of witch.

The book also states that 'Witch' can be used for either male or females but it is more often used for females, but this means that technically you could use Warlock for females.

So we already have a Witch, that does Witch stuff, and has Witch fluff and is called a male Witch.

You guys just dont like the fact it's a short rest based class. Come on, be honest.

 

[Mecheon]

You guys just dont like the fact it's a short rest based class. Come on, be honest.

No, I don't like that it doesn't fit the Witch stereotype

Warlocks do not fly on brooms. They do not have a hodge-podge of learned recipes from people past, put together in a book that's half wizard's tome and half scrapbook. You don't slave over a cauldron to create potions. No creation of obscure remedies to handle very specific situations. You're not the strange wild person in the woods, delivering good ol' fashioned home advice as opposed to the Cleric and Druid's preaching and big flashy effects. No good ol' fashioned headology

Warlocks fail at the Witch genre and aesthetic. If they're supposed to be the same thing, then the Warlock is a failure of a class from a sheer aesthetic level alone and doesn't meet any of the required bits. Its like a Monk that can't punch or a Fighter that can't swing a sword.

Or.... Warlocks aren't supposed to be Witch stand ins

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

You only seem to dislike the fact that the witches we have are short rest based classes instead of long rest ones.

That's not an argument anyone has been making.

Friends don't let friends drink and post.

 

[Flamestrike]

Warlocks fail at the Witch genre and aesthetic.

For you maybe. They're just fine for me.

Why isn't your Warlock flying around on a broom? You dont know the Fly spell? Its on the class list.

From what I can see, Warlocks are based on this guy:

A Satanic witch from the 1600's who lugs around a 'grand Grimoire' blasts white bolts of energy from his hands, curses people, frequently uses ritual magic, is resistant to most damage (other than salt and holy water) and can fly.

He also steals peoples eyes and fragments of their souls to act as compasses and for information, and talks to Satan a fair bit.

The Warlock: 11th level Male Fiend Warlock (Tome).
Dark ones blessing, Dark ones Luck, Fiendish resilience
Invocations: Agonizing blast, Book of Ancient Secrets (the Grand Grimoire), Fiendish Vigor, Grasp of Hadar, Sign of Ill Omen
Cantrips: Eldritch blast, Blade ward, Friends, Infestation, Thaumaturgy, Mage Hand
Spells: Command, (un)Hallow, Blindness/ Deafness, Contact other Plane, Scrying, Charm Monster, Fly, Fear, Vampiric touch, Enthrall, Hex
Arcana: Soul Cage

Is that not witchy enough for you?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Is that not witchy enough for you?

There are 11 previous pages of this thread that can answer that question for you.

 

[Flamestrike]

There are 11 previous pages of this thread that can answer that question for you.

I see. The Witch class we have that matches your stated description (pacts with beings, familiars, arcane spell caster, cursing people etc) and that carries the name of a male Witch isnt witchy enough for you.

Carry on.

 

[Mecheon]

Why isn't your Warlock flying around on a broom? You dont know the Fly spell? Its on the class list.

Because that's them actually flying and not, riding a broom. Its not the flying that's the goal, its the magical broom, the use of the external aid

Is that not witchy enough for you?

No. Where's the potions? Where's the chicken-legged house? Where's the hanging out in groups of three? Where's the dealing with threats to your village with a bit of magic, the right word in the right ear, and such? Where's the song numbers?

The best way I've heard it described was moreso the Pathfinder witch, which was "The Druid is to the Cleric as the Witch is to the Wizard". There is a distinct second archetype there and the warlock isn't hitting it.

 

[Flamestrike]

Because that's them actually flying and not, riding a broom.

Maybe the broom is the arcane focus needed to cast the spell. Or its just fluffed that way.

Or they just (you know) build a Broom of Flying using the rules for making magic items in Xanathars.

Im just not seeing some kind of niche (mechanically or fluff wise) that a Witch fulfils that a Warlock doesn't already.

 

[Mecheon]

Im just not seeing some kind of niche (mechanically or fluff wise) that a Witch fulfils that a Warlock doesn't already.

The Witch's niche is already there, sure, but its the Wizard and Druid who touch it, with a touch of Artificer, not the Warlock.

The witch idea is bits and pieces from wizard, druid and artificer all into the one class. The most it'd swipe from warlock is hexes as an idea.

Granny Weatherwax would not be blasting people with Eldritch Blasts or anything under any warlock's spell list.

 

[Necrozius]

Certainly that's just a cleric with an appropriate set of spells?

No. The D&D Cleric is a medium or heavily armored, anti-Undead, healing attacker.