AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[Art Waring]

Right. So it's not "lost." The earth is a closed system. The water goes somewhere else in the system. It doesn't disappear never to be used again. That's the point. It's framing the natural process of evaporation as some kind of weird scare tactic.

I know that is what it might seem like, that the earth is a single cohesive system, but water systems are not always connected. The local water table is what I think is affected, which can eventually dry up completely due to evaporation. Once evaporated it never returns to its source, something which contributes to droughts.
This then leads to increased water depletion in certain areas, which then leads to sinkholes, wildfires, and all the other stuff related to that.

Of course, I am not a geologist, I don't know much about this stuff.

 

[Scribe]

I know that is what it might seem like, that the earth is a single cohesive system, but water systems are not always connected. The local water table is what I think is affected, which can eventually dry up completely due to evaporation. Once evaporated it never returns to its source, something which contributes to droughts.
This then leads to increased water depletion in certain areas, which then leads to sinkholes, wildfires, and all the other stuff related to that.

Of course, I am not a geologist, I don't know much about this stuff.

This is what I was thinking, and trying to convey with 'it gets caught in the wind and blows away.

If all the water in a location is evaporated, does it make it back into the say ecosystem for re-use, or does it just arrive 'elsewhere' changing the water table in both locations.

 

[Art Waring]

@trappedslider

Maybe you should go back and think about a more in-depth response, as I am not just citing my sources (as one typically does when they are presenting their side), I am also speaking from personal experience on the subject. Do you know anyone affected by a loss of their livelihood due to gen-ai? I somehow doubt it as you are keen on putting your head in the sand in regards to the moral and ethical implications, which you have repeatedly ignored or avoided.

I guess from your perspective, the damage done to other people (not you) is worth it for your shiny toys?

Basically the whole thing comes to the following: blame capitalism and the requirement of wage labor even when it is no longer needed instead of AI. AI is just yet another symptom of a naughty word system.

And this right here is where you lost any claim as to my motivations or intent. Putting this blanket statement of "capitalism is bad mmkay" is literally missing the forest for the trees.

Capitalism, with proper regulations (as in, the ability for the law to regulate against monopolies), is currently being undermined by these very same companies like OpenAI, because they are currently above any laws and they are acting with impunity to the detriment of everyone else. That is the state of late stage capitalism, not capitalism itself. The fact that you can't separate the two is concerning as I honestly don't know how to move the conversation forward if you can't understand that I am a person living in capitalist society and I have no illusions about how the system around me works.

Maybe now you can look back at my previous posts, all of which are sincere, and all of which are trying not to paint all things AI as bad (if you remember I even gave you some positive feedback on some art commissions you talked about).

I can quote myself 100% saying it multiple times that I am not opposed to the existence of ethically created gen-ai tools, what I am 100% opposed to is the blatant, shameless, destructive business practices which brought about this discussion in the first place.

Maybe if OpenAI actually lived up to its original ethos, of open-sourced ai that benefits everyone, but at the moment the company is mired in countless lawsuits from artists, famous writers, musicians, actors, publishers, & journalists. They are also under investigation for a number of anti-competitive practices, & the FTC is stepping in to counter their efforts to stifle former employees from whistleblowing on a company that is corrupt to the core.

But to you, its all gravy I guess. I honestly wish I had your selective perception, it must be nice.

 

[trappedslider]

@trappedslider

Maybe you should go back and think about a more in-depth response, as I am not just citing my sources (as one typically does when they are presenting their side), I am also speaking from personal experience on the subject. Do you know anyone affected by a loss of their livelihood due to gen-ai? I somehow doubt it as you are keen on putting your head in the sand in regards to the moral and ethical implications, which you have repeatedly ignored or avoided.
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Personally no I do not, but i do of others who have lost jobs due to other forms of automation.

I guess from your perspective, the damage done to other people (not you) is worth it for your shiny toys?


And this right here is where you lost any claim as to my motivations or intent. Putting this blanket statement of "capitalism is bad mmkay" is literally missing the forest for the trees.

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I apologize for getting you with the paint brush

Capitalism, with proper regulations (as in, the ability for the law to regulate against monopolies), is currently being undermined by these very same companies like OpenAI, because they are currently above any laws and they are acting with impunity to the detriment of everyone else. That is the state of late stage capitalism, not capitalism itself. The fact that you can't separate the two is concerning as I honestly don't know how to move the conversation forward if you can't understand that I am a person living in capitalist society and I have no illusions about how the system around me works.

Maybe now you can look back at my previous posts, all of which are sincere, and all of which are trying not to paint all things AI as bad (if you remember I even gave you some positive feedback on some art commissions you talked about).

I can quote myself 100% saying it multiple times that I am not opposed to the existence of ethically created gen-ai tools, what I am 100% opposed to is the blatant, shameless, destructive business practices which brought about this discussion in the first place.

Maybe if OpenAI actually lived up to its original ethos, of open-sourced ai that benefits everyone, but at the moment the company is mired in countless lawsuits from artists, famous writers, musicians, actors, publishers, & journalists. They are also under investigation for a number of anti-competitive practices, & the FTC is stepping in to counter their efforts to stifle former employees from whistleblowing on a company that is corrupt to the core.

But to you, its all gravy I guess. I honestly wish I had your selective perception, it must be nice.

(now that you have remined me I do recall that) My attitude is the world currently sucks, I think we should have robust social safety nets for any one who loses their job due to any form of automation. But with that said no one is entitled to employment under our current system. Those artist still allowed to create art on their own time, allowed to sell it to whoever will buy it if folks want to buy it. Hell, if i put the time into learning all of the ins and outs of using what I have I could possibly take commissions or even just sell my own like others have done. Clearly there's a market for generative AI art and even books because people are buying it. You have a problem with that, then it's a problem with people.

Here's what the current attempts at protecting Artist, journalist etc look like

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www.commerce.senate.gov

Like it or not either generative AI is it currently exist will be sticking around OR only megacorporations will be able to afford it. To use an example from the Jurassic Park franchise, I believe we're beyond the point of "should we be doing this?" and are at the point of having to figure out how to live with the dinos.

That also said, we do need to put in place ways to make sure it's not abused or used maliciously.

 

[Scribe]

To use an example from the Jurassic Park franchise, I believe we're beyond the point of "should we be doing this?" and are at the point of having to figure out how to live with the dinos.

Why? Delete all these tools today, and absolutely nothing is lost. The world doesn't need, use, or depend on these tools.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Why? Delete all these tools today, and absolutely nothing is lost. The world doesn't need, use, or depend on these tools.

The open source nature of these tools means that, even if you could get whole continents to agree to this, AI could pop up again at any time, unless you had orbital missile platforms blowing up server farms with suspicious heat signatures. (That they would also take out bitcoin mining farms as well is acceptable collateral damage.)

 

[trappedslider]

Why? Delete all these tools today, and absolutely nothing is lost. The world doesn't need, use, or depend on these tools.

Napster and limewire both were killed in different ways but piracy still happens.

 

[Scribe]

Napster and limewire both were killed in different ways but piracy still happens.

And? Pull the billions, pull the massive server commitment, what happens?

No more OpenAI, or anything like it.

The sun rises tomorrow, and nobody blinks.

 

[trappedslider]

And? Pull the billions, pull the massive server commitment, what happens?

No more OpenAI, or anything like it.

The sun rises tomorrow, and nobody blinks.

So basically you just don't want the megacorpos to have it. You're all for the little guy (until the little guy stops being the little guy) having their own LLM?


Piratebay still exist despite several attempts to shut it down then there's the whole Tor thing.
You're not going to unring the bell in this case.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Piratebay still exist despite several attempts to shut it down then there's the whole Tor thing.
You're not going to unring the bell in this case.

It's basically like time machines. Once they were invented in the 29th century, they effectively existed everywhen, for all time. No getting rid of them now.