AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[trappedslider]

Sure. I firmly believe that the West is going to reap what it's sown.

Does that mean we need to continue to make our society worse?

Can it get any worse?
*note to society this not a challenge

from my view I know that it's going to worse before it gets better but that framework is built on my religious beliefs, so yeah I'm basically laughing me head off when folks say " this thing (whatever that thing may be) will lead to the end" because from my eyes it won't be, it will just be another mile marker on the road.

I left comments during the open comments time for the previous US government actions that i linked to months ago, and that is about the best I can do beyond not monetizing what i generate on nightcafe or my local computer. I have admitted to using chatgpt to help me with proof reading/grammar/continuity issues with my book because I simply will never be able to afford an actual proofreader who will focus on my work if I ever get it finished. With chatgpt, I can do the proofing as i go line by line/paragraph by paragraph.

 

[Scribe]

Can it get any worse

Absolutely, but I don't need another mod warning.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Can it get any worse?

You ain’t seen nothin yet!

 

[Art Waring]

And you're right if the courts redefine what "fair use" is,it may indeed push generative AI down the road or even to the dustbin or into the Forbidden Zone of the net.

I think a good reply to this post would have to reference the "Big Data" push of the 2010's. which was part of the last big hype cycle in the tech industry. They constantly moved the goalposts towards profitability, and a decade later have nothing to show for the billions invested into Big Data.

Here is a video on that subject, how once big data was no longer hyped, they then moved the goalpost to generative ai.

 

[Art Waring]

AI training is similar to how people learn now. They read/see other people’s work, which is usually copyrighted, and get inspired to make their own. If it is moral for humans to do that without permission or compensation (even if they make money from it), it is moral for AI to do the same.

I am pretty sure we covered this in previous posts. Attributing human qualities to a machine does nothing to contribute to the conversation. When talking about machine learning, it is important to understand that companies like OpenAI like making comparisons to humans because it both devalues human creativity and makes the machine appear more human.

Not much of a surprise, given how they are actively trying to disrupt human labor across multiple industries.

 

[Art Waring]

This i can get behind

Well, that's all I have been advocating for since the beginning. Some sound minds coming together to make regulations that both protect artists, and can allow companies to do what they do too.

I think that one of the big points have been lost in the conversation, concerning the unethical practices (data scraping ect), and that if they had chosen to do things honestly (and legally) & with transparency, I don't think that there would be such a strong resistance to gen-ai.

Maybe its just me, but I don't want my legacy (that thing that remains long after I am dead) to have the 2022-2024 timestamp of gen-ai art. Not only are the tools radioactive (in terms of future litigation risk), but they also have a look that is homogenizing into what I personally refer to as "plastic imagery." As a visual medium, the colors, compositions, and textures are often too similar, and looking at it as a whole you can see specific patterns emerging.

IMO, just like art, film, and music are a reflection of the times they were created in, Gen-AI images are going to essentially timestamp your work to a specific time. If I want my work to remain timeless, and have an appeal beyond mainstream tendencies, then I would have to consider gen-ai to be the antithesis of an original work of art (as it tends to homogenize outputs).

 

[trappedslider]

nvm

 

[trappedslider]

Well, that's all I have been advocating for since the beginning. Some sound minds coming together to make regulations that both protect artists, and can allow companies to do what they do too.

I think that one of the big points have been lost in the conversation, concerning the unethical practices (data scraping ect), and that if they had chosen to do things honestly (and legally) & with transparency, I don't think that there would be such a strong resistance to gen-ai.

[/QUOTE]
So, is all data scrapping unethical to you or just when it's used this for this manner? Ethical practices across all business would require a massive reworking on how the profit motive works. You cite that underpaid workers are being taken advantage of by do the data scraping/training. Those same workers would more than likely have been taken advantage by some other company no matter the case. Folks ins sweat shops are still going to be working in sweat shops making slave wages no matter what you buy or use. This all feeds into the "current system is bad" aspect that you didn't want to be brushed with.

 

[Scribe]

So, is all data scrapping unethical to you or just when it's used this for this manner?

I mean of course how its used, and to what end determines if its ethical or not.

Scraping the internet to power search results to aid in the spread of knowledge? Probably good.
Using your position as the 'Global Engine' to then curate, hide, and promote your own view on a given issue? Bad.

Scraping artists work to power your tool to replace said artists? Obviously bad.

 

[ECMO3]

It’s wild that anyone who cares at all about artists and writers of any kind would support this tech.

I love it and I think 3 jobs will be created for every one that is lost. We recently laid off 2 of 3 tech editors and now have AI doing a lot of the first run tech editing and there has been a noticeable improvement in quality.

We also hired 4 new people on to the AI/ML tool development team in the last year, so overall a growth in jobs and a bigger growth in payroll directly associated with/because of AI.

The biggest problem I've seen with AI is not quality, it is IT concerns. Specifically incompatibility with new software. We recently had a number of applications go offline because they were not compatible with the Visual Studios update released by Microsoft. We had to go back and reengineer some of those tools. We have also had some problems hardening AI tools against cyber threats, although that is a smaller issue.

When it comes to the speed, efficiency and quality though I have no complaints.