AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

[trappedslider]

So at a quick look, yes. Things were improved.

Now, I'm not here to fix Globalization, but the question remains.

Does 'Society' accept slave wages, and sweat shops? I think if you are talking about the West? No. We dont.

I'm drawing a distinction between okay and acceptation just like there's a distinction between legality and how ethically something is. It goes to the whole "not wanting to know how the sausage is made". It accrues to me that I may have been using the wrong word in the way I'm meaning.

We accept that there's highly questionable even possibly unethically and illegal labor practices in the supply chains. We don't like it but it's there and we do what we can about it. It's like whack-a-mole.

Yes, we do.

Look what happens when the prices in the shops go up even a little. People freak out.

Prices are as low as they are because of slave wages and sweatshops...and literal slave labor in other parts of the world. People want low prices. So we accept slave wages, sweatshops, and literal slave labor all while pretending it either doesn't exist or we're opposed to it.

Exactly. People are busy living their lives. The don't have time to think about these things and generally don't want to even if they did have the time. We have the time to make dozens of posts on here every day, read and think about our little fantasy worlds and characters and stories...but not the time to write a letter or protest business practices.

We accept sweatshops and slave wages and slave labor.

But we also desperately wish we didn't.

And yet we all do.

Every single day.

Thank you for being better at words than I am.

EDIT: Going back to data training, i know if you could make the choice that those workers wouldn't be in that situation that would be your choice but since it's not one of the options as the world currently exist. What else are we going to do right now? In some cases working in those jobs is actually the best choice they have as the world currently and human nature exist.

 

[Scribe]

Prices are as low as they are because of slave wages and sweatshops...and literal slave labor in other parts of the world. People want low prices. So we accept slave wages, sweatshops, and literal slave labor all while pretending it either doesn't exist or we're opposed to it.

These wages, are not in our country. I have no idea what the cost of living is over in Bangladesh, or various parts of India, but I do believe that Globalization is....for all intents and purposes a crime against humanity.

Looking at some quick google searching, the average wage, hourly, is a dollar, and the monthly 'middle class' starts around $150 a month.

So, is that 'slave wages' to a Canadian or American? Certainly it would seem to be, but is that...the going rate in that country? It seems so.

Now is that supply chain exactly how comical profit is made by various Western companies? Without a doubt, because the collective 'we' are stupid enough to pay for it.

Alternatives exist of course, buying local, buying second hand, buying designer, or ethically sourced, but the reality is as we all know "there is no ethical consumption in capitalism" as they say.

Exactly. People are busy living their lives. The don't have time to think about these things and generally don't want to even if they did have the time. We have the time to make dozens of posts on here every day, read and think about our little fantasy worlds and characters and stories...but not the time to write a letter or protest business practices.

Oh but we do! I've spent most of my life supporting groups, non-profits, and political parties trying to improve my local community, and before the world decided to go crazy, global organizations supporting causes my wife and I cared about.

I wrote a letter just the other day, an actual paper one, sent to my local and provincial government representatives about the absolute state of drug abuse and housing in my community. I received a canned/stock response of empty platitudes.

We do not 'accept' this things in our society, we are simply powerless as individuals to make a change at a scale that is going to matter.

Good luck stopping Globalization at this point.

We accept that there's highly questionable even possibly unethically and illegal labor practices in the supply chains. We don't like it but it's there and we do what we can about it. It's like whack-a-mole.

See, now this I can accept. The problem however is not 'slave wages and sweatshops' in a place (local) which we can impact. I cannot call the Police and send them to Bangladesh.

The problem, is Globalization.

 

[Necropolitan]

Again: The main issue with AI art creators is the massive amounts of theft involved in creating them.

You can argue over whether or not the end result is a good thing, but I'm uncertain of how anyone can seriously argue that it's moral or ethical to put an artist out of business with a product created from their own stolen artwork.

 

[Art Waring]

Again: The main issue with AI art creators is the massive amounts of theft involved in creating them.

You can argue over whether or not the end result is a good thing, but I'm uncertain of how anyone can seriously argue that it's moral or ethical to put an artist out of business with a product created from their own stolen artwork.

This.

As easy as it can be to get mired in arguments revolving around "you live in society, yet you criticize it. curious?," it is very easy to forget the damage it is causing due to data theft on a scale that can be a lot to take in for some folks.

It is very easy for techbro's to argue that because exploitation exists everywhere else, that is is then justified for them, because in reality they are trying to justify their actions after the fact.

That's about as much time as I am willing to devote to this subject on a Sunday, I will go back to chillin with the family now, but I leave you with this:

This is the best critique of Generative-AI that I can currently find. The kicker is who wrote it!!!The video is timestamped at 7:36.

Hope you have a good day folks.

 

[trappedslider]

This is the best critique of Generative-AI that I can currently find. The kicker is who wrote it!!!The video is timestamped at 7:36.

Hope you have a good day folks.

Wonder what prompt he used to get it...

I'm going to put this out here but I'm arguing about this for the fun of it. I get that both you and @Scribe hate it for different reasons that in my eyes boil down to the same "current capitalistic system sucks" point.

There have always been tech trends...during the 50s it was atomic energy will make our lives better then 60s and on had an undercurrent of "space age" tech. Then during the 90s/early 2000s it was the internet/dot com. Your business needs a website bro. There was also the make all tvs 3d thing that last for a short time Generative AI and tech business hopping on AI in general is just how the world works for now. Who knows what the next trend is going to be or when it will happen.

Generative AI used for making pictures/stories etc may not stick around but AI in general and even some generative AI is going to stick around because it has proven as i've pointed in this thread a number of times that it works and has opened the door for many things.
For example:

Generative AI develops potential new drugs for antibiotic-resistant bacteria

Stanford Medicine researchers devise a new artificial intelligence model, SyntheMol, which creates recipes for chemists to synthesize the drugs in the lab.

med.stanford.edu

 

[Scribe]

Wonder what prompt he used to get it...

You can prompt for AI generated music now?

 

[trappedslider]

You can prompt for AI generated music now?

You can ask chatgpt/bard whichever one you want to write you a song and then use one of the ai voices to do the singing. so I guess yes. The chatgpt that he shares even admits that it's an opinion and not hard fact since it uses the phrase "can been as"

The courts have already ruled that art styles can't be copyrighted and I'm guessing neither can music styles. I've never been inclined to do that and some artist are totally on board with AI doing their voice as along as you split any money you make with them lol. Others are against it.

 

[Scribe]

You can ask chatgpt/bard whichever one you want to write you a song and then use one of the ai voices to do the singing. so I guess yes. The chatgpt that he shares even admits that it's an opinion and not hard fact since it uses the phrase "can been as"

The courts have already ruled that art styles can't be copyrighted and I'm guessing neither can music styles. I've never been inclined to do that and some artist are totally on board with AI doing their voice as along as you split any money you make with them lol. Others are against it.

Ah, I meant in terms of actually creating the music, the chords or whatever. I would imagine there is a tool for it.

Google says yep: Beatoven.ai is an AI-powered music generator that creates unique, royalty-free music tailored to your needs. Designed for content creators, videographers, podcasters, and gamers, Beatoven.ai combines advanced music theory with AI technology to generate original tracks based on mood, genre, and style.

 

[Art Waring]

I'm going to put this out here but I'm arguing about this for the fun of it. I get that both you and @Scribe hate it for different reasons that in my eyes boil down to the same "current capitalistic system sucks" point.

I think at this point that you have read my previous posts, then instantly forgotten them? I just stated the difference between normal capitalism & late-stage capitalism, and the difference between the two being that late-stage capitalism is always headed towards the creation of monopolies (which go against the previous model of capitalism which was kept "healthy" and competitive with regulations).

This does not mean "current capitalistic system sucks," it means that current systems lack the ability to address these issues because the law always lags behind technology.

There have always been tech trends...during the 50s it was atomic energy will make our lives better then 60s and on had an undercurrent of "space age" tech. Then during the 90s/early 2000s it was the internet/dot com. Your business needs a website bro. There was also the make all tvs 3d thing that last for a short time Generative AI and tech business hopping on AI in general is just how the world works for now. Who knows what the next trend is going to be or when it will happen.

Again, either willfully ignorant, or simply unwilling to read my posts. I just made a post about the previous tech hype (big data), and I already pointed out the next trend (gen-ai video tools like Sora). Gen-ai images are already falling out of hype, and they are already rushing towards video generation.

I'm arguing about this for the fun of it

At this point I am having serious doubts as to you acting in good faith. People are losing their jobs and this is some kind of "fun" entertainment for you?

 

[Necropolitan]

Exactly what benefits can be gained from letting AI creators steal intellectual property that would justify letting them steal intellectual property?

What progress does forcing AI creators pay for the things they're using to train their AI prevent?

With all the billions of dollars that have been poured into creating AI they somehow can't afford to pay the people they're using the work of?

"I want it free and I want it now and I never want to face consequences for taking it" is not and never has been a valid excuse when it comes to theft.

Also "late stage capitalism" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. The term was created by a Nazi who claimed Jews controlled capitalism and getting rid of capitalism required the genocide of Jews.