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By and large I like what I see here on this forum, but I do notice that a lot of the art posted here is amateur at best. Down right clunky at worst. I get the impression that most of the people displaying their work are self taught, and concentrate on fantasy subjects. If that's your bag, I wish you luck. But expanding your (artistic) horizons can be a big help.

1. Art lessons. Lessons on composition, drawing, oils and acrylics. A good teacher can help a lot with animation and expression, bringing your art to life. Try other media as the mood takes you. Many community colleges offer art courses. Or see if you can find an artists' club or association.

2. Life studies. Studies of human and animal anatomy. Art using live models, clothed and nude. Knowing how real life people and animals are put together is a great help with fantasy races and beasts.

3. Visits to your local museum of natural history. loads of things to draw there, and not just the animal displays. A good natural history museum will have displays for local minerals, fossils, geological formations, and so on and so forth.

4. To get good at showing animals in motion, get yourself a yearly membership at the local zoo. There is a big difference between a live tiger in mid-leap, and a mounted tiger posed in mid-leap. Learning how to show a live tiger in mid-leap goes a long way in learning how to show a dragon in mid-leap.

5. Bring your art to life. Learn how to show expression. Learn how to "animate" your work, make it seem as if it could literally step off the canvas and walk about.

6. Get in the habit of doodling. Doodle when you're waiting for someone. Doodle during a business meeting. Doodle for family and friends. Doodle for strangers you meet. Carry a sketch pad along with pencils and pens so you can doodle, draw, or sketch whenever you feel the urge.

7. Whenever you feel tempted to draw something, give in. The opportunity may not pass your way again.

8. Get in the habit of redoing work that doesn't quite suit what you want. But, always keep your eye open for anything that might be better than what you'd originally envisioned. In other words, keep your eye on the goal, while keeping your eye out for unforseen possibilities.

9. Grow a thick skin. You're always going to run into people like me. People who will tell you your wondrous work is not as good as your friends say it is. People who will get on your case about improving your art, your technique. (I was going to say "encourage" or "urge", but they weren't strong enough to get my message across.:)) We're not being mean, we really do want to see you do better.

10. Make art your life. You want to be a professional artist, you have to keep practicing, keep training, keep improving. In addition, get in touch, and stay in touch, with your local artistic community. Not just your local Internet or common interest community, but your local geographical community. You will meet more than your share of flakes, but you'll also meet folks who can and will help immensely.

11. Never reject advice out of hand. Even my advice.:D You'll find that most people showing an interest in your work want to help you become a better artist. Some of them will even know what they're talking about.:)

To be mean, cruel, nasty, unkind, rotten, and even (heaven forbid) helpful, I have to say, most people posting art on this forum couldn't get a job as the graffiti artist for a pre-teen gang. But, at the same time, most of the people posting art on this forum show promise. It is that promise I'm hoping to encourage. Becoming a good artist aint easy, it takes a lot of hard work and perseverance. But it has rewards unlike any other human endeavour. Keep drawing, keep painting, keep improving and your work will pay off. Often in ways you never expected.

My best to you all.
 

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personally, I think my avatar is quite artistic thank you. ;)

too bad this board doesn't seem to let me display it. :(
 
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Alan, I think you've been taking lesson on how to be insulting from Papa Laz. Please go read that thread, my response there, and then come back and apply it directly to this thread. You may not mean to sound as offensive as you do, but the tone of your post - yeah, even with smilies - isn't exactly what one would hope for. I'm disappointed.

You don't show up at your friend's house and then tell him how much you hate his cooking, his fashion sense, and his decorating taste. The same analogy applies here. You want to rag on folks without posting your own work? I have no doubt that other forums will indulge you. This might not be the place for it, though; we tend to be friends, and that means wide-reaching generic "criticism" is in bad taste. Individual suggestions in specific threads, when people ask for it, is a lot more useful.

Folks, as you respond to this, please remember EN World's policies: no personal insults, no profanity. Thanks.
 
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PC, I'm no artist, and I know it. I also know when something isn't working, when it needs improvement. A lot of the art presented to this forum could use improvement.

So I urge people to improve, to get better at their vocation. If it sounds harsh, then so be it. Sometimes you have to be a royal bastard to get people to reach beyond themselves. If that's what it takes, then that's what I'll do.

I'd sooner be cruel and helpful, than kind and no help at all.
 

mythusmage said:
By and large I like what I see here on this forum, but I do notice that a lot of the art posted here is amateur at best. Down right clunky at worst.

Of course most of the people posting here are amateurs, whether it is artwork, stories or dare I say monster writeups. If they were professional they most likely would not be posting it for free on a message board, unless it was a sample to get people to go buy something they have published.

mythusmage said:
To be mean, cruel, nasty, unkind, rotten, and even (heaven forbid) helpful, I have to say, most people posting art on this forum couldn't get a job as the graffiti artist for a pre-teen gang.

Could you be anymore insulting? If you want to give some of the people here encouragement to seek more classes because their work shows promise that is one thing, but by insulting them like that they are more than likely not to give a rat's ass what you think.

Personally I have seen some neat stuff in this and the Plots and Places forum. Is it professional? Some of it is certainly better than I have seen in some published materials. I will stop here before I say more.

Edit : Added italics part since I forgot it when I wrote it.
 
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As long as the art improves, I'm happy. Don't matter whether it improves because the person agrees, or he thinks I'm a rotten old f**t. As long as it gets better.

Reinforcing a person's opinion of himself doesn't cut it. You need to challenge him. If gentle support won't do it, you get cruel. You start to push.

Being harsh is not, necessarily, a bad thing. Being kind is not, necessarily, a good thing. You use what works, and sometimes being mean is what works.

Besides, I don't push folks I have no hope for. If it's the best you can do, then I hope you have a happy life. But if you can do better, then, damn you, do better.

(BTW, why is it the non-artists are the only ones who've commented on this thread?:))

"A kindness that excuses mediocrity is the worst form of cruelty."
 


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Reinforcing a person's opinion of himself doesn't cut it. You need to challenge him. If gentle support won't do it, you get cruel. You start to push.

Please show where you have tried to use gentle support? I must have missed it, none of your posts on artwork that I have seen has ever been anything but harsh. IMO

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(BTW, why is it the non-artists are the only ones who've commented on this thread?:))

You are a non-artist by your own admission, why did you post? [/B][/QUOTE]

By the way, I have tried to make scetches and stuff, and am rotten at it and would not post it for public consumption. I have however posted maps and buildings before on public forums.
 

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(BTW, why is it the non-artists are the only ones who've commented on this thread?:))


Actually, though I don't do it anymore (other than around the house) and don't do it professionally, I am (or was) an artist. Been drawing since I was about 6-7 years old (or younger). And yes, its good stuff. :)
 

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