Touch attacks are DEX saves. I am totally for that. This gets rid of the need for a separate touch AC score. I am all for that small change.
Yes, but I'm advocating for some spells to *not* be touch attacks, and be simply "attacks", so the player can roll something.
If the attack goes against armor class then that means is very similar in effect to a sword swing or claw attack.
Also this is not just an issue with the cleric it is an issue with all spells that utilize a touch attack. For me as a player who likes to play wizards, I don't care who makes the roll so long as I get the effect, in this case damage. Dodging a ray, is a reflex save. I think that is cool. If you want to make an attack roll, use your mace.
The player still rolls damage. I only think it's a problem when the player doesn't roll anything, like 4e Essentials' version of magic missile.Yes, but I'm advocating for some spells to *not* be touch attacks, and be simply "attacks", so the player can roll something.
And I've seen far too many players that almost "deflate" when they cast a spell, ask "what do I roll?" and I answer "nothing, I'll roll the bad guy's resistance". Psychologically, it feels as though their character's effectiveness is out of their hands.
The player still rolls damage.
Unless it's "save negates".