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General Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access

Baldur's Gate III is now available for early access on Steam and on Stadia.

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I couldn't get the Steam version working on my Mac, but the Stadia version works just fine. The opening tutorial level is pretty gruesome (at one point I had to squish somebody's brain) and the mind flayer airship you're trying to escape from beings to mind the movie Aliens a lot.

Character creation is quick and easy, although options in the early access are limited. The gameplay is like Divinity Original Sin 2 with the 5E rules layered over it. I've only played an hour or so of the game, and as an early access game, it is occasionally a bit buggy, but nothing showstopping (yet).

This isn't a review (I haven't played enough of it to do that, and I don't think it's fair to review an early access version anyway); it's mainly just an alert to the few people who don't already know it's available. If any such person exists!
 
Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Gradine

Final Form
How do they expect anyone to play this game properly unless you have the latest PC that's like $1,000+? This is why I can't get into PC games. Either you spend as much as a car down payment, or you deal with playing on a used/refurbished 3 year old system. And there's several PC games I want to get into but, sadly, cannot because of the expensive tech barrier.

They've ported their previous games to console before, no reason they won't do this again at some point.
 

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How do they expect anyone to play this game properly unless you have the latest PC that's like $1,000+? This is why I can't get into PC games. Either you spend as much as a car down payment, or you deal with playing on a used/refurbished 3 year old system. And there's several PC games I want to get into but, sadly, cannot because of the expensive tech barrier.
My 3-year-old laptop with a 1060 Max-Q is running it decently enough.
 

R_Chance

Adventurer
I have it on Steam. Your computer has to meet the specs and you have to tell your AV that it's OK. Sure it's limited, but that's early release for you. My laptop gaming rig is three plus years old now, but it was a beast back in the day and it handles it easily. My daughters 2 year old gaming laptop runs it fine. We'll see how it turns out as a game when they're done with it of course.
 

How do they expect anyone to play this game properly unless you have the latest PC that's like $1,000+? This is why I can't get into PC games. Either you spend as much as a car down payment, or you deal with playing on a used/refurbished 3 year old system. And there's several PC games I want to get into but, sadly, cannot because of the expensive tech barrier.
I'm playing on a PC I bought like 2 years ago that was only midline at best. Cost about $700 if that and my settings are almost all maxed by default. Frame rate stutters a wee bit sometimes but it's been fine beyond that. shrug
 

MarkB

Legend
How do they expect anyone to play this game properly unless you have the latest PC that's like $1,000+? This is why I can't get into PC games. Either you spend as much as a car down payment, or you deal with playing on a used/refurbished 3 year old system. And there's several PC games I want to get into but, sadly, cannot because of the expensive tech barrier.
I'm playing it on Stadia. All you need for that version is a broadband connection sufficient for streaming HD movies.
 


Firebolt is much more fun when you can actually set people on fire with it!
I like that change to Fire Bolt, but I don't care nearly as much for it creating fiery surfaces. Same with Ray of Frost potentially knocking the enemy prone by creating an icy surface. Both of those abilities have struck me as pretty damn OP to have on cantrips.
 

Emirikol Prime

Explorer
I'm sure this is going to be a great game but I'm afraid it isn't going to feel like the older games. I really wish Obsidian would have gotten the license. I say that because PoE felt like a very true spiritual successor to the original BG games.
Obsidian is out of the running now that MS bought them.
 

Iry

Hero
I'm actually surprised how well BG3 runs on a potato laptop. Not perfectly, but it's clear they made an effort to keep the game accessible to a wide variety of computers. As for the game, it actually looks really promising from what I've played. It's possible the game will have the same issues as DOS2 in the later acts, but I'll reserve judgement until the game is finished. I am having fun right now.

Of course, this is a genuine Early Access. The game has bugs, unfinished graphics, and the UI needs a lot of work. They told us ahead of time that it's a work in progress. Just be aware of what the Early Access is, and what it isn't, before giving it a try.
 

I like that change to Fire Bolt, but I don't care nearly as much for it creating fiery surfaces. Same with Ray of Frost potentially knocking the enemy prone by creating an icy surface. Both of those abilities have struck me as pretty damn OP to have on cantrips.
Fire Bolt has it's base damage reduced, but it's largely balanced by the once-per-short-rest special moves melee and ranged weapons gain. It's a flat boost to basic attacks to make combat more tactical, especially at low level.

My PC is a good few years old, and is running the game with all the graphic options turned to maximum. It's no more system intensive than a usual 2020 PC game. I'm pretty sure it will get a console port quite soon after full release though.
 
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MaskedGuy

Explorer
It's currently very easy to take a "slaughter everyone" approach at the moment. I expect more non-homicidal ways of overcoming obstacles will be added later.

As for the companions, they don't have alignments printed on their character sheets, but, broadly speaking, two are good, two are evil, and one is neutral.

Yeah as far as I can tell: Wyll and Gale are either good or EXTREMELY good leaning neutrals. Laez is definitely evil(miliritastic xenophobic racist to whom intimidation and violence is first option) and so is Astorian(who seems to find principles absurd and is gleefully trolling towards everyone and seems to disapprove pretty much all options involving being selfless or decent person unless they are funny) while Shadowheart is evil leaning neutral(they are pragmatic and don't mind you doing good guy things if you justify it being about working towards the cure and while they have selfish traits they do have standards :p They are annoyed by you acting goody two shoes "but what if they need help" when you yourselves need help)
 

Horwath

Hero
Because real D&D is real time with pause...

Wait, no it isn't, it's turn based.

well, turn base in real D&D(or any tabletop) is necessary evil, as otherwise it would be chaos.
But when AI is working many things in background and you could pause if you want to execute complicated orders, then turning :p Baldur's Gate to turn based game is lazy design.
 

well, turn base in real D&D(or any tabletop) is necessary evil, as otherwise it would be chaos.
But when AI is working many things in background and you could pause if you want to execute complicated orders, then turning :p Baldur's Gate to turn based game is lazy design.
5e is designed for turn based play, with lots of choice each character has to make each round. It would be impossible to stay even vaguely close to the 5e ruleset using RTWP (See: Sword Coast legends). 2e was much simpler, with many characters having nothing to do but auto-attack each round. The casting time and interrupt rules also made 2e more suitable to RTWP.

The original Baldur's Gate adapted the 2nd edition ruleset using 1998 technology. Baldur's Gate 3 adapts the 5th edition ruleset using 2020 technology. It is ridiculous to expect them to work the same way.

Solasta: Crown of the Magister is also turn based, because that is the only way to stay close to 5e rules.
 
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Laez is definitely evil(miliritastic xenophobic racist to whom intimidation and violence is first option)
Githyanki racial stereotyping! :eek:
so is Astorian(who seems to find principles absurd and is gleefully trolling towards everyone and seems to disapprove pretty much all options involving being selfless or decent person unless they are funny)
Vampire racial stereotyping! :eek:
 

Horwath

Hero
5e is designed for turn based play, with lots of choice each character has to make each round. It would be impossible to stay even vaguely close to the 5e ruleset using RTWP (See: Sword Coast legends). 2e was much simpler, with many characters having nothing to do but auto-attack each round. The casting time and interrupt rules also made 2e more suitable to RWIP.

The original Baldur's Gate adapted the 2nd edition ruleset using 1998 technology. Baldur's Gate 3 adapts the 5th edition ruleset using 2020 technology. It is ridiculous to expect them to work the same way.

Solasta: Crown of the Magister is also turn based, because that is the only way to stay close to 5e rules.
Don't give examples of one of the worst adaptation of D&D ruleset(SCL). What about Pillars of Eternity? It's RTwP and made on modified 3.5e ruleset. And lets be honest 5E is closest to 3.5E than any other edition.

I just hope they make RTwP mode for BG3 sometimes, like they made TB mode for PoE2(but let's hope that they will make better modifications). It's easier to go from TB->RTwP than to RTwP->Tb
 

Don't give examples of one of the worst adaptation of D&D ruleset(SCL). What about Pillars of Eternity? It's RTwP and made on modified 3.5e ruleset. And lets be honest 5E is closest to 3.5E than any other edition.
Pillars of Eternity is:

a) Nothing like 3rd edition;
b) Has a horrible and constantly shifting ruleset;
c) Worked so badly that POE2 had a turn based mode patched in.

Pathfinder: Kingmaker is a RTwP game that uses a version of the 3.5 ruleset. It's a game I love (823.7 hours logged), but it doesn't actually work very well - in particular the lack of precise control over movement means melee characters are hammered by attacks of opportunity and flanking attacks. It has also been updated with a turn based mode.
 

MaskedGuy

Explorer
I honestly don't see point of trying to claim either real time or turn based is superior and I say that as someone who prefers turn based :p

I do agree though that with how 5e works, it would be hard to make it real time. You have movement(which isn't action, you can move, attack and continue moving), you have your action and bonus action instead of "just" move and standard/full round action. Trying to "move, hit enemy, continue moving, get attack of opportunied by enemy, drink potion with bonus action" would be pretty hard when the enemy would just continue moving after you at same time you are moving.

And even then, in real time its hard to see effectiveness of swift actions and such, for some players,(this is especially problem in kingmaker) real time is too hard to micromanage because everything happens at same time. You want to charge at enemy? Well since it happens in real time, enemy moves closer to you and suddenly they are too close to charge at. You want to use fireball, but then your party member kills enemy and moves right into fireball range. Some players on otherhand are really good at handling information and pausing a ton, but for lot of players real time comes across as too chaotic.
 

Azzy

Newtype
How do they expect anyone to play this game properly unless you have the latest PC that's like $1,000+? This is why I can't get into PC games. Either you spend as much as a car down payment, or you deal with playing on a used/refurbished 3 year old system. And there's several PC games I want to get into but, sadly, cannot because of the expensive tech barrier.
You pretty much described all AAA games.
 

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