Battlestar Galactica:Season 2; Part 4 NSCR/8.5.05

[Storm Raven]

I don't think we know what Adama's overriding goal is, any more - I certainly think that in light of every episode of the show after the miniseries, it's clearly *not* just "fight the cylons" and/or "go down in flames." He's had ample opportunities to ignite that blaze of glory, and has acted with *survival* in mind in every instance.

He's put the fleet in position to fight though, which is probably a huge mistake, and I think would have gotten the fleet destroyed if the cylons were not pulling their punches (as I believe they are). Even if Adama is choosing "survival" as his goal, I think the ideological question posed by Roslin (as a thematic element of the show) would be "is mere survival enough, and at what point does the cost become too high to bear".

 

[The_Universe]

He's put the fleet in position to fight though, which is probably a huge mistake, and I think would have gotten the fleet destroyed if the cylons were not pulling their punches (as I believe they are). Even if Adama is choosing "survival" as his goal, I think the ideological question posed by Roslin (as a thematic element of the show) would be "is mere survival enough, and at what point does the cost become too high to bear".

Once more, I think this is a purposeful misinterpretation of his actions. Since the miniseries, he has only intentionally put the fleet in a position to fight when some major gain for the fleet (like needed supplies) was at stake.

He's done things that incidentally put the fleet at risk (like search for Starbuck) but nothing that intentionally positioned them for a fight.

Surely, he's no more or less reckless than Roslin.

 

[ecliptic]

Adama is bound and determined to go down in flames. He's tried before, purposely. The main difference in their perspective is that Roslin's objective is to find earth, while Adama's objective is to fight cylons. Adama's objective is, in the end, counterproductive to the survival of the fleet, since over the long run they can't win against the cylons.

Any civil war that takes place was incited by Adama and Tigh, when they overturned the Articles of Confederation to put themselves in charge. Adama even exposed the true reason for his hissy fit that caused him to arrest the President - he doesn't like having his decisions second guessed. Tigh proved absoluty incapable of command, unable to decide for himself what to do, and using an autocratic hand to try to get his way, when it was obvious that was a bad idea. Telling people they have no voice in how their affairs are conducted is a bad idea, and Adama and Tigh went straight to that as their first option when faced with a political crisis.

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Except, of course, for Apollo, Dee, Gaeta, the prison guard, the soldiers who helped her escape, the pilot who helped Apollo get the raptor, the doctor, and the sentry she talked her way past. You know, a significant collection of soldiers who couldn't stomach sweeping aside the Articles of Colonization and imposing military rule.

Plus there are the civilians who don't want to live under a military dictatorship, and refused to help Tigh use Galactica to impose one. I think Tigh and Adama are going to have to back down, and look bad in the process. They certainly seem to have no problem backing Roslin against Tigh and Adama.

Oh great you're back. Same person who got the last thread locked thanks to your personal insults. You are better off away from these threads.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Surely, he's no more or less reckless than Roslin.

Exaclty!

The simple point is that NEITHER Roslin nor Adama are completely right in what they've done. Taking sides doesn't really work in this case, as the both of them are doing the right thing AND the wrong thing...with neither of them really above the other.

Honestly, if Adama hadn't been taken out, I doubt things would have gone this far at all. Tigh was manipulated into far more crap than Adama ever would have been...which was the point of Adama's first sentence to Tigh when he woke up.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I don't think it was one particular person who got the thread locked last week. Just keep it civil, keep it on the topic of the show and don't attack the posters and everything will be fine.

Now, I have not read much of the behind-the-scenes stuff or podcasts or anything, so I have one question to ask. People keep saying there are 12 models and are trying to count the number we have not seen. Did it ever say there were 12 human-style models? I was wondering if the centurions counted as one model. I was even wondering if the raider they captured might also count as a model, since it does appear to be autonomous, with limited intelligence for sure, but Boomer crooned to it like it was a domesticated animal. Is it a form of cylon as opposed to just a vehicle?

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Now, I have not read much of the behind-the-scenes stuff or podcasts or anything, so I have one question to ask. People keep saying there are 12 models and are trying to count the number we have not seen. Did it ever say there were 12 human-style models? I was wondering if the centurions counted as one model. I was even wondering if the raider they captured might also count as a model, since it does appear to be autonomous, with limited intelligence for sure, but Boomer crooned to it like it was a domesticated animal. Is it a form of cylon as opposed to just a vehicle?

It was mentioned in the Miniseries that there were 12 Human-Form Cylon models.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

It was mentioned in the Miniseries that there were 12 Human-Form Cylon models.

Thanks, I missed them specifying human-form.

So, then do only the human-form models commune with God? Are the mechanicals considered to be a lower life form, incapable of understanding the messages of God? Obviously cylons did not naturally evolve, so who created the human-form models, and is that who they refer to as God?

 

[Truth Seeker]

Learning Curve...

Once again, this show is hitting the spots. Although, it may got a mention, in previous posts, or it may not, here is my thoughts.

I consider all that happening, is a great learning tool, to how to tell a story...from a DM's perpective.

There is people that some don't like.

There is some, who have been giving grudingly the respect of being liked.

There are those who have a strong presence, but may not be liked, cause it is too overbearing.

Then, there is the one, who just plain...unpredictable.

The range in this last esp. was wide as wide can be...and there were surprises. From one person I did not expect it to be from.

The Lt. on the bridge. He surprised me, the man was asked the question, and he played ignorant...I was like...FRACK!!!, My ears, my eys, and my mind, was like...he did, he did do it...

He Lied.

His reasons, unknown for now, but maybe...one day, it will get explained. And he is a second tier character.

FRack...this is good stuff.

 

[Storm Raven]

Oh great you're back. Same person who got the last thread locked thanks to your personal insults. You are better off away from these threads.

Yeah. Because criticizing your opinion is a personal insult. Please. Learn the difference between the two and then get back to me.

And I'm better off away from these threads? Why? So you don't have to deal with the holes in your theories concerning the show?

 

[Storm Raven]

Once more, I think this is a purposeful misinterpretation of his actions. Since the miniseries, he has only intentionally put the fleet in a position to fight when some major gain for the fleet (like needed supplies) was at stake.

And, to be perfectly blunt, that was a mistake. If the cylons hadn't been pulling their punches, he would have gotten his head handed to him.

He's done things that incidentally put the fleet at risk (like search for Starbuck) but nothing that intentionally positioned them for a fight.

Once again, putting the fleet at risk should have been fatal, if the cylons weren't pulling their punches.

Surely, he's no more or less reckless than Roslin.

The sum total of her "recklessness" has been to use a single captured piece of equipment to send a single person to Caprica. A piece of equipment that wasn't actually needed for the mission for which Adama insisted it was critical. This is as "reckless" as endangering the entire fleet to look for Starbuck?